On 22 Dec 2014, at 19:13, John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 Bruce Kellett <[email protected]> wrote:
> No one is denying that death results in oblivion.
Then what are we arguing about?
> But that is not the point.
It isn't?!
> My claim was that no one has experienced oblivion. In common
parlance, we routinely say that everyone experiences death at the
end of their lives. Hence the distinction made between death and
oblivion in this context.
So this entire death vs oblivion debate has nothing to do with the
nature of reality, it's about grammar and how one particular
language out of the 7000 in use on this planet happens to use 2 words.
And as for the fear of death stuff, are we asked to believe that if
you learned right now that tomorrow morning at 9am a firing squad
was going to put several bullets into your brain you wouldn't be the
slightest bit apprehensive and would go to bed tonight just as you
always do and sleep like a baby without a care in the world?
You can fear for your life being too much short, without any fear of
"oblivion".
Typically, and oversimplifying for pedagogical clarity, in occident
we oppose death with life, like if those were different state of a
person. In orient, they oppose more easily death with birth, making
them different event which can happen. In the average, in orient, they
have the "correct" (with respect to classical computationalism) fear
of death, which is not the fear of oblivion, but the fear of a
possible bad next birth. According to their theories, that might
depend on the "karma", which is only an abstract notion of causality.
This makes sense, as our action here and now determine the good-bad of
our next instants, and of the next instants of people *very* similar
to us: our children grand-children, etc.
Bruno
John K Clark
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