Bruno,

    Hi.  

    I'd like to propose that we get back to the subject of discussing our 
ideas on how the universe works, why it's here, etc.,

>
> And if there is one. Normally, we already have debated that if there is no 
> magic operating in the brain (another way to assume computationalism, once 
> we assume Church-Turing thesis), then the physical universe is a first 
> person plural sort of hallucination, and we must derived the laws of 
> physics from the laws of thought (Boole and Boolos, say).
>

Roger: Even if the universe is a hallucination, purely based on thought, or 
a computer simulation, where does the hallucination, thought, or computer 
come from in the first place.  I have to admit I have a hard time going 
with the idea of Platonism or mathematical constructs existing somewhere 
that no one can see or test.  I sure can't rule it out, but I'd like to be 
able to know where it is.

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    To start, I'd like to propose the following:  We all have different 
views on the question "Why there is something rather than nothing?", if 
that question even has value, how the universe works, etc.  I think it's 
safe to say that, unless you're an academic, our ideas are also routinely 
ignored, criticized and made fun of by academics.

>
> Not really. I defended a thesis in mathematics, on the neceesary mininal 
> common (to all machines) amount of theology, and got no problem in 
> academies, except for some rare one, known for defending religious 
> conviction (usually of the atheists type). Those just ignore facts, proofs, 
> and argument, and I have been unable to ever met them. But most 
> academicians don't take them seriously, despite some bad local influence 
> they have on the media. 
>
> Roger: Well, I admit not all academics make fun of amateurs, but a lot do. 
>  I'm happy that you've had better luck than me.  I've had a few very nice 
> academics give constructive feedback and comments, but they are few and far 
> between.
>

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>
> I suggest you read my paper sane04
>
> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/publications/SANE2004MARCHALAbstract.html
>
> Roger: I'll look this up tonight.  Thanks!


>
>

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