> On 16-Jan-2015, at 12:13 pm, Kim Jones <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On 16 Jan 2015, at 5:05 pm, Samiya Illias <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> Like Russell, I tend to feel (or believe, if you prefer) that this One or >>> what the physicalists call "the beginning" also includes observers. I can >>> conceive of the possibility that observers were present right from the >>> start, >> >> Can you kindly elaborate on the above statement? It reads similar to >> something I've been wondering about but haven't been able to understand. >> Samiya > > "Observers" clearly implies "conscious observers" so what this means is > consciousness of some order has been present all along. Since the really real > part of reality happens outside or beyond time anyway (assuming Bruno's comp) > there is no need in principle for a beginning or an end to anything. OK, > there may have been a Big Bang but I choose to believe that this was not the > beginning. > > In Russell's Theory of Nothing he says that the informational content of the > universe was entirely present at whatever juncture we call the BB. This is > the Everything (principle). That means what it implies: EVERYTHING was > present at some juncture we choose to call "the beginning" and for some > equally mysterious reason, forms the point from which we choose to measure > our own conscious experience, merely because we cannot conceive of what came > before (Russell doesn't say that part, that's me but he may agree.) > > By definition, "everything" has to include consciousness. Now that's pretty > much all there is to it. > > Kim
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