On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 3:08 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List < firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> > > > > *From:* email@example.com [mailto: > firstname.lastname@example.org] *On Behalf Of *Platonist Guitar Cowboy > *Sent:* Sunday, January 25, 2015 5:30 PM > *To:* email@example.com > *Subject:* Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 1:51 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List < > firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote: > > > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > > Just stop defending the indefensible islamists and refrain from making > excuses for them. They are all adults and can speak for themselves. They > believe what the believe, and it is neither my fault, nor even yours. The > world is now slowly waking up to what is occuring, even to this day, the > Japanese. I am sorry that disagreeing with your holy self is considered > trolling. But thats what makes ball games. Deal with it. > > > > What "makes the ball game" is people sowing fear and reaping aggression on > all sides by committing violent acts for political and economic gain, which > is a threat. > > It's perhaps a fine line between recognizing this fact and falling prey to > the PR ploy as recognizing the fact brings our own political lines, which > furthers the ploy's objective, into play. > > > > Brent made a good point: compare violence to potency of other threats. I'd > add cui bono, obligatory grain of salt, and maybe we don't need cartoons to > replace our thinking or humor. PGC > > > > It would behoove us to at least recognize that the roots of the problems > in the middle east run deeper than offense at a cartoon. > I used "cartoon" in less than literal sense. > It is a complex mess with deep historical roots going back to the Ottoman > period and on through the period of French and British colonial rule. There > are no easy solutions and the problem is not going away. > What? You don't think if I post my position a few more dozen times, that the problem will not disappear from the global stage? Dear Internet of grand opinionage, I am disappointed in you! Sincerely, PGC > In order to manage the situation, as it has become, we need to at the very > least have a clear and comprehensive understanding of the issues and forces > that are driving resurgent medievalism in the middle east (but not only > there… there is a surge of the medievalist mind in the USA, and I imagine > to some degree in Western Europe as well) > Freedom includes by definition the right for everybody else to see/express things their way. Therefore it is not a simple, clear matter to "fight for freedom of speech", as any form of battle/competition/conflict includes assumption of restricting/denying/limiting the freedom of the opponent, which leads to contradiction. Hence the laws against defamation. True to form of factual concreteness fetishes, we believe that power will take care of a power problem. Power marks difference/imbalance relative to some value(s), and using some form of it to eliminate lesser form is dubious but plausible; if done minimizing harm at maximum of levels. The "truth" that western liberal believes 'will establish itself over time' is problematic in one key sense: *when* *exactly *does the truth of freedom arrive (kinda sounds like waiting for messiah figure) and should we do something about the roads collapsing here, economic/political/theological differences, the people being hurt over there, or the laws and prohibition trampling freedom for security indefinitely; if so what? And why do we need all these lawyers if everything is clear? ;-) PGC -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.