On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 3:08 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List < [email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Platonist Guitar Cowboy > *Sent:* Sunday, January 25, 2015 5:30 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 1:51 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > > Just stop defending the indefensible islamists and refrain from making > excuses for them. They are all adults and can speak for themselves. They > believe what the believe, and it is neither my fault, nor even yours. The > world is now slowly waking up to what is occuring, even to this day, the > Japanese. I am sorry that disagreeing with your holy self is considered > trolling. But thats what makes ball games. Deal with it. > > > > What "makes the ball game" is people sowing fear and reaping aggression on > all sides by committing violent acts for political and economic gain, which > is a threat. > > It's perhaps a fine line between recognizing this fact and falling prey to > the PR ploy as recognizing the fact brings our own political lines, which > furthers the ploy's objective, into play. > > > > Brent made a good point: compare violence to potency of other threats. I'd > add cui bono, obligatory grain of salt, and maybe we don't need cartoons to > replace our thinking or humor. PGC > > > > It would behoove us to at least recognize that the roots of the problems > in the middle east run deeper than offense at a cartoon. > I used "cartoon" in less than literal sense. > It is a complex mess with deep historical roots going back to the Ottoman > period and on through the period of French and British colonial rule. There > are no easy solutions and the problem is not going away. > What? You don't think if I post my position a few more dozen times, that the problem will not disappear from the global stage? Dear Internet of grand opinionage, I am disappointed in you! Sincerely, PGC > In order to manage the situation, as it has become, we need to at the very > least have a clear and comprehensive understanding of the issues and forces > that are driving resurgent medievalism in the middle east (but not only > there… there is a surge of the medievalist mind in the USA, and I imagine > to some degree in Western Europe as well) > Freedom includes by definition the right for everybody else to see/express things their way. Therefore it is not a simple, clear matter to "fight for freedom of speech", as any form of battle/competition/conflict includes assumption of restricting/denying/limiting the freedom of the opponent, which leads to contradiction. Hence the laws against defamation. True to form of factual concreteness fetishes, we believe that power will take care of a power problem. Power marks difference/imbalance relative to some value(s), and using some form of it to eliminate lesser form is dubious but plausible; if done minimizing harm at maximum of levels. The "truth" that western liberal believes 'will establish itself over time' is problematic in one key sense: *when* *exactly *does the truth of freedom arrive (kinda sounds like waiting for messiah figure) and should we do something about the roads collapsing here, economic/political/theological differences, the people being hurt over there, or the laws and prohibition trampling freedom for security indefinitely; if so what? And why do we need all these lawyers if everything is clear? ;-) PGC -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
