All forms of consciousness involve a great amount of intelligence relative to, say, the state of being a rock - e.g. an owl recognising a fieldmouse from a mile away involves a lot of clever processing that might tax an advanced computer programme, although I'm sure we can do something similar nowadays - but that doesn't mean the two are identical, as certain previous posts have implied. For example the dance of bees requries a form of intelligence (encoded genetically) but I'm not sure bees are conscious (even as a "hive mind"). Parts of uor brains are intelligent but not conscious, as I realise every time I solve a problem during my sleep. And so on.
On 3 February 2015 at 09:50, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: > On 2/2/2015 9:44 AM, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 11:21 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> EVERYBODY know how to test for consciousness, intelligence behavior >>> is the test, and and without exception every person on this list has used >>> that test at least once every single day of their lives. >> >> >> > No that's not how they test for consciousness; it's how they test for >> whether a human being is conscious. >> > > Yes, and as I said in a previous post "The entire thing is completely > uncontroversial UNTIL you try to apply it to a computer, and then all of a > sudden people insist on changing the rules of the game because they don't > like who's winning". But never mind it doesn't really matter, it isn't > important if humans think computers are conscious, the important thing is > if computers think humans are conscious. > > >> > If they are dealing with something that looks like a toaster but plays >> an good game of chess or bridge or jeopardy they don't assume >> intelligence=consciousness. >> > > And as I said in many many previous posts, if that assumption is wrong > then Darwin was wrong too. Do you believe Darwin was wrong? I don't. > > > I believe you're wrong to assume intelligence=>consciousness. That may be > an accident of how carbon-based life developed intelligence. And it may > also be that there are different forms of consciousness. Much of our > thought is subconscious. Does that imply that it must be? Or that the > conscious narrative we experience is necessary? You don't have to believe > Darwin was wrong to recognize that not every biological feature had to be > the way we find it. > > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
