TELMO: I did not expect from you to point to the 2 centuries old obsolete and theoretical exercise of Marx-Engels (irrespective of Lenin's intermitted LATER speculations) as "blueprint" for a (still?) viable(?) political system. It never got further than a tyranny of 'leftish-sounding' slogans by pretenders. As the original authors dreamed it up, it never (and nowhere) did get off from the ground. I know, I lived in a so called "Peoples' Democracy" (Called 'commi' system - ha ha) which was neither "peoples'" nor democracy. Nor Marxist, nor Leninist. It was a Stalinist tyranny. And Maoist, Pol-Pot, plus a KimIrSen-istic one.
Capitalism - in my view an advanced form of slavery, following feudalism - started to destroy the entire human experiment on this Globe - way before the "warming" entered the picture. It never 'faced' a competition of any 'socialistic' challenger. It succumbbed to the authoritarian religious tyrannies (brutal and violent, or just retracting and philosophical). On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 4:04 AM, Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 4:19 AM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 2 April 2015 at 15:18, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 LizR <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> >> In practice Communism was evil but in theory it was just stupid >>>>> >>>>> > Almost as stupid as capitalism, >>>> >>> >>> The defining characteristic of stupid is that stupid doesn't work, so >>> regardless of what you may personally think of capitalism's ethics (and >>> there is no disputing matters of taste) the fact remains that if capitalism >>> was stupider than communism then it wouldn't have won the 40 year long face >>> to face confrontation with it. >>> >> >> It didn't. Communism hasn't been tried except at the tribal/village level >> (you're getting confused because some people called themselves communist). >> > > The same claim can be made about anything. Reality never seems to conform > to the idealized version of any political theory. > > Communism has a blueprint, "The Communist Manifesto" by Marx and Engels. > Several societies of varying sizes and cultural backgrounds attempted to > implement these ideas. In all cases so far, the results have been > horrendous. I have no doubt that this is not the outcome that Marx desired, > but there is now strong empirical evidence that this is the outcome you get > when applying the idea to societies of human beings. > > >> My point is that capitalism is in the process of destroying the world, so >> it hasn't "won" anything and may well lose the entire human experiment >> thanks to the greed of a few short sighted individuals. >> > > If the world is indeed being destroyed by pollution, then this is being > done by a complex network of cooperation between communist, capitalist and > autocratic nations, of which a communist nation is the biggest polluter. > Yes, maybe Chinese communism is not what Marx had in mind, but western > capitalism is not what the intellectuals who defend capitalism have in mind > either. The "no true Scotsman" brigade will not help us here. > > >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
