On 15 May 2015, at 00:44, colin hales wrote:
Your suggestion presupposes a limit to reach that we don't
necessarily have to assume.
Theories of everything but the scientific observer (what tends to
be called a TOE historically)
In the aristotelian picture. In the beginning it meant only
unification of the known force and objects.
In this list, we take into account consciousness and the first person
points of view.
and
Theories of everything including the scientific observer.( what I am
suggesting as a real TOE)
Like Comp and Everett already.
Arithmetic or any universal system (in the CT sense) allows that, and
much more, by the closure for the diagonalization.
.... Can be different categories of scientific account.
The arithmetical hypostases. The same sigma_1 reality, viewed by 8
points of viewed, multiplied by aleph_0, if not aleph_1 in the first-
person delay-amnesia limit.
Find the way that this can be the case and you have solved the
problem.
You have begun, only. Comp makes it mathematical, and it is not simple.
Confuse the two and become part of the problem. Fail to realize
there are two theory categories and you are also part of the problem.
This dual-'theory' state is a Comp-agnostic position and forms a
place from which arguments about COMP get clarity. The magic of
COMP being true occurs when the two kinds are identities. Under what
conditions might that be?
Hmm... You seem to intuit, or understood the key things:
- that the universal numbers can prove p -> []p, for the p in the
sigma_1 reality,
- but that they cannot yet identify p and []p, because the other side:
[]p -> p is still what they can only pray for, or work for.
Rhetorical question intended to provoke a bit of thought.
The first post which I can understand!
G1 proves p -> []p
G1* \ G1 proves []p -> p.
Best,
Bruno
Cheers
Colin
From: John Mikes
Sent: 15/05/2015 7:32 AM
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theories that explain everything explain nothing
Colin: wouldn't it fit to call "TOE" - Theory of Everything WE
KNOW ABOUT? or: Everything in our reach?
I mentioned my agnostic views.
Greetings
John Mikes
On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 8:40 PM, colin hales <col.ha...@gmail.com>
wrote:
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Perhaps better....
All posited (so far) scientific TOE are actually wrongly named. They
would be correctly named:
"Theories predicting how the universe appears to an assumed
scientific observer inside it"
Or maybe
"Theories of everything except the scientific observer"
By Scientific observer I mean consciousness... What scientific
observation uses/is.
From here you might ask yourself what a scientist would be doing if
they _were_ explaining the scientific observer (consciousness). For
whatever that is, it's not a member of the set of the kind of
science outcomes in which these so-called TOE sit, smugly claiming
everything while actually failing without realizing.
Cheers
Colin
From: Bruce Kellett
Sent: 14/05/2015 9:15 AM
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Theories that explain everything explain nothing
As an aside to recent discussions, it is interesting to point out that
physics has some of the problems associated with over-confidence in
ideas coming from pure intuition too.
http://aeon.co/magazine/science/has-cosmology-run-into-a-creative-crisis
This article by Ross Anderson in Aeon Magazine surveys some of the
recent history of press announcements by leading cosmologists.
Believing
too strongly in your own pet theory can be a dangerous pastime.
Bruce
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