> On 18-May-2015, at 7:24 am, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: > > >> On 13 May 2015, at 08:23, Samiya Illias wrote: >> >> >> >>> On 12-May-2015, at 9:39 pm, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On 13 May 2015 at 14:29, Samiya Illias <samiyaill...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> 1) The Quran reminds us that humans have been made Incharge of Earth and >>>> hence are responsible for the welfare of the Earth and all in it >>>> 2) The Quran also tells us that we will be held accountable for all that >>>> we've been gifted with, hence the more worldly riches or power one has, >>>> the greater the responsibility and the greater the accountability >>>> So yes, it speaks of all of us and says that every action, intention, >>>> everything is being recorded and will be replayed and the criminals will >>>> not be able to say anything, rather their bodies will bear witness against >>>> themselves. Humans will be recompensed in full in complete justice, and >>>> nobody will be wronged in the least. >>> It's a nice fantasy, at least. As opposed to the (apparent) reality that >>> rich people can screw everyone else, each other, and the planet, and still >>> make out like bandits. >> That is why I suppose facts about creation have been mentioned across the >> Quran so that those who doubt its authenticity can study and assess for >> themselves whether this message is from the One who created, knows and is in >> perfect control of everything to the minutest detail, and is therefore able >> to carry out His Will and keep His Promise, or if this is just a fantasy. > > > The greeks, may be not so much the indians, got the same idea/fantazy. The > idea that God is Good. > > With comp, good is a protagorean virtue: it obeys []x -> ~x > > But what is good? > > Can a God be good and accepts that one of its creature kills another of its > creature ... in its Name?
Can a teacher be good who sets an exam for his students, allows the students to refer to the textbook and patiently allows the students time to attempt the exam? Can an movie maker be good who assigns roles to the characters, gives them the script, and then let's them enact their roles? Can an employer be good who sets mock assignments (aptitude tests) for his prospective employees, and then gives them the liberty to execute it, and only later appraises them for their actions? The students', the actors' and the potential employees' performance in their exam, movie or mock assignment determines their future potential and possible career. If we consider this life as the only life and death as a finality, then of course the perspective is different. But if we realise that it's just the end of the trial, then the perspective changes completely. > > With comp you already sin once you feel superior, or inferior, with respect > to Her/It/He. > It's not about feeling superior or inferior, it's about realising that we are the 'creation' and God is the 'Creator'. It's about being Just and Justice cannot be a sin. > Do you take for granted that the Homo Sapiens is the favorite creature of > God? Never claimed to be the favourite. Perhaps among the favoured creation, but certainly not the only one. > > Does Arithmetical truth loves the Löbian numbers? Ttruth is certainly an > attractor for the löbian numbers. ?? > > God is good, I agree! Thank you :) > but with comp both of them are undefinable, and you might sin by deciding > what is good and bad by using publicly its Name. > > Everyone knows the difference between good and bad I think it's called Conscience > (it is like the difference between eating a fruit and being burned), Like Garden of Eden and Fire of Hell? > but above that you have to open your mind on how others talk about God, and > concentrate on what is common, and discard the difference. > > Reality is beyond the Fairy tales, indeed it is even beyond the correct > humans' and machine's theories. Yes, we have been given very little knowledge, most of it is unknown. > > With comp it is almost obvious that any finite text on God can only be a lie. > God is beyond texts. Maybe comp is 'almost obviously' wrong? The Creator who created us to the exact cellular and atomic detail, can the same Creator not also provide a User Manual? After all, the scriptures are not 'about God', they are about humans! > > Texts can help, but texts can delude, also, especially if you attach yourself > with literal interpretations. God, who created in us the ability to speak and express ourselves in word and in writing, can express and communicate better than we can. There is no need to philosophise the scriptures. Literal readings are our best chance to attempt to understand the message of the scriptures. > > In the middle-east, people have discussed the Plato/Aristotle view longer > than in Occident, and the influence of Plato, and thus of that open-mindness > toward both reason and mysticism, is quite palpable. But the Jews, with > Maimonides, and most christians and muslims will depart from Plato at some > point. It is unclear to me if the Quran departs a lot from Plato, per se, but > the current understanding of it is mainly Aristotelian. For that reason, it > is mainly incompatible with comp, unlike the neoplatonist theologies. > It's okay if the scriptures are incompatible with some human theory. Humans are still discovering, learning and improving their understanding. May God grant us the knowledge to better understand the scripture. Amen. 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