Here is what stopped Islamic science of 900 years ago. Insh Allah, Ma'shallah!
God wills, as god wills! This solves everything, so why study things further.
Allah is in control of it all. All is me'toub! Fated by Allah. So studying how
photosynthesis works, or what the moon is made from. The moon is made of stone
and created by Allah-so what more do we need to know. All is in Allah's hands,
and He is the best judge to know!
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From: Samiya Illias <samiyaill...@gmail.com>
To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sat, May 30, 2015 11:24 am
Subject: Re: Samiya proved right
God created humans and knows everything about us and within us. I'm sure there
will be no injustice done to anybody.
The analogies you give are between humans. We do not know our own selves:
subconscious, composition details, thoughts, mind, etc. , let alone claiming to
know another human. We cannot apply that reasoning to the One who created us,
sustains us and is aware of everything manifest and hidden throughout the
heavens and earth.
Samiya
On 30-May-2015, at 4:42 am, LizR < lizj...@gmail.com> wrote:
"No compulsion" when the choice is between Heaven and Hell - and on the basis
of something we can't remember having done...? Let's try that in a
non-religious context. "But, m'lud, I warned the victim that I was going to
murder him if he went through with his planned visit to Midsomer - and then I
erased his memory of our meeting. So clearly his murder is all his fault, and
not mine." I'm not sure the defence would get very far on that basis.
If it was proved beyond reasonable doubt that God and Heaven and Hell really do
exist, then no rational agent would choose NOT to worship God, as Pascal
pointed out. But the idea that despite having no sensible knowledge on which to
base his or her decisions, it's still the victim's fault if he fails to avoid
Hell, is the logic of a psychopath. "Now look what you made me do!" he says as
he tortures you.
On 30 May 2015 at 13:11, Samiya Illias <samiyaill...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 29-May-2015, at 5:41 pm, Stathis Papaioannou < stath...@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Saturday, May 30, 2015, Samiya Illias < samiyaill...@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 7:33 AM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 29 May 2015 at 16:34, Samiya Illias
<samiyaill...@gmail.com> wrote:
If we do not make the necessary effort, we will end up
in the Fire due to our own negligence.
That is known as "victim blaming". It's the psychology of a sadist - the same
as the rapist's "she was asking for it".
That's a horrible analogy!
Consider the following verses:
http://quran.com/7/35-36 O children of Adam, if there come to
you messengers from among you relating to you My verses, then whoever fears
Allah and reforms - there will be no fear concerning them, nor will they
grieve. But the ones who deny Our verses and are arrogant toward them - those
are the companions of the Fire; they will abide therein eternally.
Morally, how do you justify punishment for not believing something? You may be
foolish if you believe the wrong thing, but not bad. In this respect, God's
morals seem inferior to humans'.
If you read the verses 7/172-174 quoted below in my previous email, it states
that God made us testify that He is our Lord. I think this can probably be
understood in terms of the consciousness discussion that has been going on in
other threads. Though we do not remember this, however according to these
verses, we did at one time testify to it -- much before being sent to this
world. At another place in the Quran, God states that He has created us as His
'ibaad' meaning slaves. That means that we submit only to God and to nothing
else, that we serve Him alone. And at another place, it states that there is no
compulsion in religion, hence whoever wishes can strive for a beautiful future,
and whoever rejects is forewarned. I see life in this world some thing like a
quality control, of being plugged into the Matrix, and striving to improve our
reality.
Samiya
http://quran.com/7/172-174 And [mention] when your Lord took
from the children of Adam - from their loins - their descendants and made them
testify of themselves, [saying to them], "Am I not your Lord?" They said, "Yes,
we have testified." [This] - lest you should say on the day of Resurrection,
"Indeed, we were of this unaware." Or [lest] you say, "It was only that our
fathers associated [others in worship] with Allah before, and we were but
descendants after them. Then would You destroy us for what the falsifiers have
done?" And thus do We [explain in] detail the verses, and perhaps they will
return.
http://quran.com/16/70-77 And Allah created you; then He will
take you in death. And among you is he who is reversed to the most decrepit
[old] age so that he will not know, after [having had] knowledge, a thing.
Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Competent. And Allah has favored some of you over
others in provision. But those who were favored would not hand over their
provision to those whom their right hands possess so they would be equal to
them therein. Then is it the favor of Allah they reject? And Allah has made for
you from yourselves mates and has made for you from your mates sons and
grandchildren and has provided for you from the good things. Then in falsehood
do they believe and in the favor of Allah they disbelieve? And they worship
besides Allah that which does not possess for them [the power of] provision
from the heavens and the earth at all, and [in fact], they are unable. So do
not assert similarities to Allah . Indeed, Allah knows and you do not know.
Allah presents an example: a slave [who is] owned and unable to do a thing and
he to whom We have provided from Us good provision, so he spends from it
secretly and publicly. Can they be equal? Praise to Allah ! But most of them do
not know. And Allah presents an example of two men, one of them dumb and unable
to do a thing, while he is a burden to his guardian. Wherever he directs him,
he brings no good. Is he equal to one who commands justice, while he is on a
straight path? And to Allah belongs the unseen [aspects] of the heavens and the
earth. And the command for the Hour is not but as a glance of the eye or even
nearer. Indeed, Allah is over all things competent.
Samiya
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