On 10 Jun 2015, at 10:18, Bruce Kellett wrote:
Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 10 Jun 2015, at 00:37, Bruce Kellett wrote:
Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Jun 2015, at 12:07, Bruce Kellett wrote:
Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Jun 2015, at 07:40, Bruce Kellett wrote:
Given a set of axioms and some agreed rules of inference, the
same results always follow, regardless of by whom or at what
time the application is made. This is not what is usually
referred to as "kicking back". Johnson did not apply some
axioms and rules of inference in answer to the idealists, he
kicked a stone.
But people can kicked stone in dreams too.
But do they wake up with broken or bruised toes?
Do they ever wake up?
Solipsist!
That does not follow. Dreams can be shared, like with second-life
video games, or the MWI.
The point was in your suggestion that dreamers might not wake --
nothing to do with shared dreams. Shared dreams refer to a different
form of dream -- as in "I dream of winning the lottery....".
The idea that our experience of life is just a dream leads to
solipsism.
Very often indeed. My point was just that t is a common invalid move,
and this can easily be understood in term of multi-user video game (to
build the counter-example: not to pretend anything on what is real or
not).
With computationalism, there is only shared dreaming, and so we never
"wake", but we can wake relatively to a layer of universality. Yet,
empirically, we can be pretty sure that the quantum realities are at
the bottom core of the physical reality.
Bruno
Bruce
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