On 28 Aug 2015, at 19:43, John Clark wrote:
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 9:45 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>
wrote:
>> in the history of the world NOBODY has ever been able
to perform one single calculation without using hardware. No
hardware = no calculation.
> Consult Turing or Church,
Consult Fortune magazine for a list of computer hardware
companies with zero manufacturing costs because they had no need to
actually manufacture anything out of matter.
> or a textbook on computability, for the definition of
computation.
And in the entire history of the world NOBODY has
ever been able to perform one single calculation with a
definition.
>>> Once you assume the basic laws of the natural
numbers, (mainly the laws of addition and multiplication), then,
all computations exist
>> That's backwards. We know for a fact that computations
exist because we've observed them,
> Assuming that observation is an ontological criteria,
In other words assuming that the scientific method can be a useful
tool for finding out more about how the world works, and that
assumption has worked pretty well up to now.
> that is assuming Aristotelianism,
To hell with Aristotle and to hell with all those damn overrated
ancient Greeks! I said it before I'll say it again, Aristotle
was the worst physicists who ever lived.
That is not a reason to adopt blindly his theology.
And Plato sucked too.
Insult are not argument.
> Platonists believe in what they understand, not necessarily
in what they observe
And that philosophy was dogma from the time of the ancient Greeks
to the renaissance,
I guess you never read Plato. The dogma did not come from Plato, nor
even Aristotle, but from the instituionalization of religion. Then in
theology the Aristotelian dogma of the insititutionalized religion are
still here, as you illustrate yourself with your physicalist
definition of the scientific method.
Bruno
and that is precisely why science made such little progress during
those 2000 years.
John K Clark
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