On 9/23/2015 12:19 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

On 23 Sep 2015, at 06:51, Brent Meeker wrote:



On 9/22/2015 9:26 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

On 22 Sep 2015, at 19:27, Brent Meeker wrote:



On 9/22/2015 5:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

On 22 Sep 2015, at 00:29, Brent Meeker wrote:

A fascinating application of computability theory to physics:

Undecidability of the Spectral Gap
Toby Cubitt,  David Perez-Garcia,  and Michael M. Wolf

The spectral gap—the difference in energy between the ground state and the first excited state—is one of the most important prop- erties of a quantum many-body system. Quantum phase transitions occur when the spectral gap vanishes and the system becomes critical. Much of physicsis concerned with understanding the phase diagrams of quantum systems, and some of the most challenging and long-standing open problems in theoretical physics concern the spectral gap, 1–3 such as the Haldane conjecture 4 that the Heisen- berg chain is gapped for integer spin, proving existence of a gapped topological spin liquid phase, 2,3 or the Yang-Mills gap conjecture 5 (one of the Millennium Prize problems). These problems are all particular cases of the general spectral gap problem: Given a quan- tum many-body Hamiltonian, is the system it describes gapped or gapless? Here we show that this problem is undecidable, in the same sense as the Halting Problem was proven to be undecidable by Turing.

I guess he means unsolvable.

"undecidable" is relative to a theory. Unsolvable or uncomputable is absolute and does not depend on any theory. It means that there is no alogorithm to do some task, like computing some function or deciding some set.

Yes, and it would be quite surprising to find there is no algorithm to compute whether or not a Hamiltonian system has a mass gap - since it is presumably a fact of nature whether it does or not.

Not sure that this entails the existence of an algorithm. In the arithmetical reality, many facts exists with provably no algorithm to decide them.

But many scientists implicitly assume that reality is computable, that there is an algorithm for deciding how the state of the universe evolves. And so they reject the idea that reality is isomorphic to arithmetic. If the mass gap is not computable that's very surprising. But I'm afraid it depends on systems being potentially infinite, which is dubious.

Brent

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