On 5/10/2015 11:07 am, Jason Resch wrote:
On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 5:37 PM, Bruce Kellett <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:On 4/10/2015 6:54 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:On 4 October 2015 at 09:05, Bruce Kellett <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: On 4/10/2015 6:03 am, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:On 3 Oct 2015, at 5:21 PM, Bruce Kellett <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:On 3/10/2015 1:52 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:On 2 Oct 2015, at 4:28 PM, Bruce Kellett <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:I think you are continuing to confuse the issues between local copies, obeying the laws of physics and information transfer, and remote copies outside our particle horizon. The latter are of absolutely no relevance to me here-and-now because there is no possibility of information transfer.Remote copies are still copies. If a copy of you were made in the Andromeda Galaxy a billion years hence, it would still *by definition* think it was you despite being made of different matter, despite it being far removed in space and time, despite it possibly having no physical connection with you.That is still within the forward light cone, so information could be transmitted. Information is physical. If there is no transfer of information, there is no way one could test what the copy thought.Are you saying that the copy would not really be a copy until it verified this by establishing contact with the original, or that the mere possibility of establishing contact with the original is necessary and sufficient?You would no know you had a copy until the two were compared -- and that involves the transfer of information. No, you wouldn't know you were a copy - you would probably think you were the original.*An* original. You would have no reason to suspect that there was another person bearing any very close resemblance to you. To claim there is a 'copy', means that you must have compared the two and found them identical, or have a causal chain linking one (original) to the other (copy).If two authors independently wrote the book "Moby Dick", word for word, comma for comma, and the two authors never talked to nor collaborated with each other, would you deny that the two stories were identical on account of the fact that the two authors never communicated?
You would only know that they were identical if you compared them bit by bit -- by the exchange of information. Until that time, there are just two books by two independent authors.
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