On 03 Jun 2016, at 12:22, 'scerir' via Everything List wrote:

Bruce:
This relates to my current obsession with the universal applicability of Bell's theorem (and other inequalities such as that of CHSH). Consider the statement of the Church-Turing thesis: "the statement that our laws of physics can be simulated to any desired precision by a Turing machine (or at any rate, by a probabilistic Turing machine)". This is not true for Bell-type experiments on entangled particle pairs. To be more precise, the correlations produced from measurements on entangled pairs at spacelike separations cannot be reproduced
by any computational process. [....]

That is correct, but is already a theorem of computationalism. Given that any piece of observable matter is given by the statistics on your first person experience on the whole UD*, a priori "matter" is *not* simulable "in real time" nowehere. But as Deutch saw for quantum computer: a quantum computer, which exploits that statistics directly, can simulate any other quantum computer or quantum events (giving sense to a physical "CT" thesis, which has nothing to do with the usual Church-Turing thesis, and which is an open problem).

Note that the quantum computer, for example, does not violate Church Turing thesis, and a classical computer can emulate any quantum computable events, albeit not in real" or "polynomial" time. And to get the Bell's violation inequality, you need to interview the creatures inside the simulations.

Logicians have the tools to define the first person and third person views in precise (mathematical, arithmetical) terms.

Open problem: is physics only the "music of the primes"? It might be that the distribution of primes, seen globally (like with the Riemann zeta function) already encodes the full sigma_1 complexity, and thus a universal dovetailer. That might be a way to tackle the Riemann hypothesis. Then there is evidence it might emulate a sort of nuclear quantum chaotical "physical" regime (Work by Berry, Montgomery, ...). (I talked about such type of theory some time ago). The number 24 has some hidden power to, ... (Might some day make a post on that. It plays some role in the irreducible group representations theory).

In the meantime the more mathematically inclined can listen to John Baez reason to love the number 24:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzjbRhYjELo

Mine are more related to the partition number theory (which I sometimes used to illustrate the remarkable complexity of the additive theory of numbers):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj4FozCSg8g

God created the natural numbers, and told them to add and multiply. Then the number 24 hypnotized all the universal numbers and made them believe in gravitation, space, time, wave and particles ... (grin).

I always fear that the number theorists find the physical reality before the theologians, which might make us dismiss the (G* minus G) part of (self) reality for another millennium ...


Bruno






### Unless something strange is going on here. In example, I'm trying to understand something J.Christian wrote recently.. See Appendix D, page 8 and 9
in this paper https://arxiv.org/pdf/1501.03393v6.pdf

BTW L. Accardi, (Accardi and Regoli, 2000, 2001; Accardi, Imafuku and Regoli, 2002) has claimed to have produced a suite of computer programmes, to be run on a network of computers, which will simulate a violation of Bell's inequalites.
See also http://arxiv.org/pdf/1507.00106v3.pdf



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