On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:


​>> ​
>> ​I have read what you said and if you're right and calculations can be
>> performed and consciousness produced independently of matter then the
>> injection of a particular form of matter into your bloodstream, such as
>> cyanide, should have no effect on your consciousness.
>
>
> ​> ​
> It is a beginners' exercise to find the logical fallacy here.
>

​The logical fallacy is so elementary, so childishly easy to find that you
are is unable to ​
say what it is.​

​>>​
>> The primacy of matter is an entirely different question,  ​
>
>
> ​> ​
> But that is the point of discussion.
>

​I thought it was ​"Can calculations be made and conscious produced without
the use of matter?"
The primacy of matter is an entirely different
​(and less interesting) ​
question
​.​
​


> ​> ​
> That is basically where Aristotle's theology departed from Plato's theology
>

​Both were nitwits, to hell with them. You must mention Aristotle and Plato
about a thousand times as often as you mention Einstein, and in the 21th
century that's just nuts.
​


> ​> ​
> Consciousness does not originated in matter,
>

​You may not need your brain but I need mine.​


​> ​
> Consciousness is the selection process, but with mechanism, that is
> formulable in term of arithmetic and arithmetical semantics, entirely
> available from inside.
>

​Why is the molecule H2O needed for this conscious arithmetic to work and
why will the molecule H2SO4 stop the arithmetic dead? ​


​> ​
> An intelligent machine is a machine which decides one day to change the
> user!
>

​At last something we agree on.​

 John K Clark

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