On 7/8/2016 10:22 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 7:18 PM, Brent Meeker <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>wrote:

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    Information about the past is available to us (at least according
    to our present understanding of the laws of physics).

​If Quantum Mechanics is correct (and at the very least we know it's incomplete as it does not include gravity) then information is conserved, but the process to extract that information takes both time and energy, the less time the more energy is needed.

That brings up an interesting point. What does it mean to "extract" information that is already present? I think it means amplifying it to a classical level, i.e. such that it can be cloned and shared. QM essentially says you can only extract half the information, in the above sense, due to the uncertainty relations. That doesn't mean you can't manipulate and compute with all of the information. Quantum computers will theoretically be able to do that and will not dissipate energy, thus avoiding Landauer's limit.

Now I don't think human brains operate at the quantum level (they're too hot), so I think duplicating a brain is possible at the functional level.

Brent

If your brain is burned up or eaten by worms the information that was in it may in some sense still exist but there may not be enough energy in the observable universe to extract it and make use of it before protons decay in 10^35 years or so destroying the physical universe and making all further computations impossible. However if my brain has been frozen in liquid Nitrogen it would take astronomically less time and energy to extract the information in it than it would with your worm food brain or burned up brain.

 John K Clark ​




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