On 18 Jan 2017, at 19:04, John Clark wrote:
On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 3:16 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>
wrote:
> God is the creator (in a large sense of the word) of the
universe.
That's exactly the problem, the large sense of the word "creator"
is so large it becomes meaningless.
Not at all. In Plato-like theology, they use the word emanation. There
is the ONE, often nicknamed GOD. From it, the NOUS (the Intelligible
Reality, the World of Ideas) emanates, and, the Universe-Soul emanates
from the Noùs.
Your God does not need to be a person, your God doesn't need to be
intelligent, your God could be anything, even a random quantum
fluctuation could be God.
The quantum physical world, without the vacuum, or other initiial
conditions. Indeed. It is the option God = Matter, and is basically
the theological assumption of the Materialist.
You can redefine a horse's tail to be a leg and then you can say a
horse has 5 legs, but doing so will not teach you anything about the
nature of reality or about horses. The only reason you'd make such
a redefinition would be you enjoy saying "a horse has 5 legs", and
the only reason you're redefining "God" the way you have is you
enjoy saying "I believe in God".
Yes. for the same reason that we call 0 and 1 number. That's what we
do in science. Using God in the sense of whatever is needed to have a
reality, and maybe just that reality, helps to keep in mind that
Primitive-Matter existence needs an act of faith. Nobody can prove its
exoistence, and a materialist assumes that such a Primitive Matter is
at the origin of all other realities (biologicl, psychological, etc.).
It is your theology, apparently.
For our topic, you need to explain how that God-Matter succeeds in
selecting some computation(s) among all computations.
The computationalist answer is that such God does not exist, and that
there is no selection. The appearance of matter have to be explained
by the statistic on all sigma_1 sentences, structured by the material
hypostases. This can be shown to be possible only if the material
hypostases ([]p & <>t (& p), p sigma_1) obeys quantum logic, and that
is indeed the case.
> But we know you stop at the step 3 or the main argument,
Yes, that's where you made your blunder, a blunder I've been
asking you for years to fix but you have been unable to.
That is what some people have called a lie here. You have given
incompatible answers, and many insults. You are the only one to have
a (psychological?) problem here.
> you want stick to the Aristotelian theology.
Aristotle was a imbecile and theology has no field of study. And
you've taught me to hate the ancient Greeks. I'm sick to death of
them.
Read the book by Daniel J. Cohen (not Daniel E. Cohen). You will
understand that not only physics and mathematics comes from Greek
theology, but that modern mathematical logic is also a recent (19/20th
century) attempt to come back to Plato, and to rigor in theology. You
will also understand why this is well hidden, to the benefits of the
clerical powers.
To say that theology has no field of study consists in siding with the
clericals by letting the field in their hands, which confirms again,
like if that was needed the de facto alliance between gnostic atheism
and the charlatan. It makes also Aristotelian Materialist assumption
into an implicit dogma.
Just explain how your God-Matter select the computation. Or read the
literature to see why this has never work, or try to progress in the
computationalist argument which explains why this cannot work.
Bruno
John K Clark
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