On 1/24/2017 10:30 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 24 Jan 2017, at 00:31, Brent Meeker wrote:
HERE
<https://aeon.co/essays/is-atomic-theory-the-most-important-idea-in-human-history?utm_source=Aeon+Newsletter&utm_campaign=b7c0509199-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_01_23&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_411a82e59d-b7c0509199-69456137>
is an Aeon essay by Carlo Rovelli on the amazing prescience of our
ancient forebears. It also a corrective to Bruno's frequent assertion
that it was only Plato to who taught that things might be different
than they appeared
I cite Pythagoras, and all the mystics of China and India, antic, but
still more represented in the East than in the West.
But the Milesian school were not mystics.
Plato is just a good reference. Plato himself is neutral but just well
aware of the alternative, and very cautious before concluding.
Socrates is mainly a refuter of theories. The Plato of the Timeaeus is
almost Aristotelian. The Plato of Parmenides is the Plato of the
neoplatonists, and the position quasi enforced by the computationalist
hypothesis.
We are not doing history here, we are just trying to make the
alternatives clear, and to look how some hypotheses can put weight on
some of them.
Where would I have said "only" Plato?
and that this contrary to the materialist school of Miletus.
That the philosophers from Thales school, where not only much better
physicists than either Plato or Aristotle, they were quite willing to
suppose that there was a deeper reality than immediate perception.
Leucippus and Democritus theory atoms and the void hypothesized atoms
that couldn't be seen.
Brent
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