On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Alberto G. Corona <[email protected]> wrote: > Lol. There is no way to avoid the absolute since nothing can be based on > nothing,.
There is a difference between "the absolute" and "absolute belief". I believe in an ultimate reality, but I am not sure we can see it from our vantage point -- and this "not being sure" is an agnostic position, of course. > In this case you reify nothing, which is purely negative, as absence of > anything,, and convert it to "something". And this something that you > implicitly postulate is an absolute ethical principle of humility, which > becomes your highest value with which measure everyone else so it becomes a > criteria for absolute ranking. ? I did not say it was an absolute ethical principle. I just said that it is the scientific attitude. Ethics is a hard topic... > It is obvious that this humility is not humble although it is not arrogant > of course. That kind of humility can be summarized in this phrase refering > to false humble christians: "The progressive Christian know that he is > better than others because he believe that he is not better than others". In short, you are accusing me of virtual signalling. Maybe... I am human and we do that a lot. I mean "Intelectual humility" as an epistemological stance, not in the sense that hollywood celebrities use it: "I'm sooo humbled by this oscar!". > Why we do not admit that everyone need to feel in a better path than others? > I do. I'ts human.It is the reason why We do things. If not, we would be > completely redundant. Redundant in relation to what? What is the goal? > Concerning the adequacy of the agnostic stanpoint for acquiring knowledge > and, in general, for life, I have to say that it is not very good. At least > the atheists have firm beliefs, which are a ground upon which they develop > a program for action (with disastrous consequences, by the way) But in the > meantime they have been very active in achieving things. At least in the > euphoric phase of his bipolar syndrome. But agnostics have no plan, so, as > Aristotle said, reason without passion does move nothing, so agnostics... > are moved to very few achievements, they follow with mild critics and > disdain what is dominant. Agnostic = do not pretend to know things you do not know What do you mean by achieving things? Can one achieve things by writing a book, or a piece of music, or a scientific paper, or a computer program? Or does it have to be something that forces others to live in a way that you find more acceptable? Telmo. > 2017-02-06 14:46 GMT+01:00 PGC <[email protected]>: >> >> >> >> On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 11:39:35 AM UTC+1, telmo_menezes wrote: >>> >>> On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 9:21 PM, Brent Meeker <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > And so do you think of yourself as agnostic about the value of >>> > fascism?...or >>> > communism? >>> >>> Yes, I reject simplistic views of History where one side is 100% good >>> and the other 100% evil. Absolute belief leads to terrible ideas, such >>> as trying to bomb countries into democracy. >>> >> >> That goes for converting folks to humility and agnosticism too, which >> basically implies "humility/agnosticism in terms of my fuzzily defined >> reality bubble". That's both simplistic and unclear. PGC >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > > -- > Alberto. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
