On 07 Feb 2017, at 12:59, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
Lol. There is no way to avoid the absolute since nothing can be
based on nothing,.
In this case you reify nothing, which is purely negative, as absence
of anything,, and convert it to "something". And this something that
you implicitly postulate is an absolute ethical principle of
humility, which becomes your highest value with which measure
everyone else so it becomes a criteria for absolute ranking.
It is obvious that this humility is not humble although it is not
arrogant of course. That kind of humility can be summarized in this
phrase refering to false humble christians: "The progressive
Christian know that he is better than others because he believe that
he is not better than others".
Why we do not admit that everyone need to feel in a better path than
others? I do. I'ts human.It is the reason why We do things. If not,
we would be completely redundant.
I can follow you on this.
Concerning the adequacy of the agnostic stanpoint for acquiring
knowledge and, in general, for life, I have to say that it is not
very good. At least the atheists have firm beliefs, which are a
ground upon which they develop a program for action (with disastrous
consequences, by the way) But in the meantime they have been very
active in achieving things. At least in the euphoric phase of his
bipolar syndrome. But agnostics have no plan, so, as Aristotle said,
reason without passion does move nothing, so agnostics... are moved
to very few achievements, they follow with mild critics and disdain
what is dominant.
Since atheists allows agnostic in their rank, I distinguish two types
of atheists: the gnostic one, and the agnostic one. The gnostic have
firm belief indeed: they believe:
1) in Primary Matter (often called Aristotle's second God, which is
actually its main belief/metaphysical-assumption).
2) in the same conception of God than the christian-jews-muslims (the
abrahamic god), even if it is used just to claim they don't believe in
it (but they seems to ignore the many treatise in theology of the
neoplatonist, like Proclus' treatise entitled "theology").
I am not sure that agnostic have no plan. There are many different
reasons to be agnostic. We can be agnostic on something because we are
searching more information before trying to conclude on some definite
belief, like we can be agnostic by lack of interest, or lack of good
definition, or just methodologically, to avoid building an answer
before the question is clarified. The scientific attitude is agnostic
by construction, both on the God = Primary Matter and the personal
god, or some non personal God, like TAO or MATTER/FIELDS/TIME. We
present our temporary beliefs in the form of theory/axioms/postulate
and search the consequences, hoping to find empirically (or logically)
refutable one, so that we can improve or change the theory. In this
way, we can learn something.
Bruno
2017-02-06 14:46 GMT+01:00 PGC <multiplecit...@gmail.com>:
On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 11:39:35 AM UTC+1, telmo_menezes wrote:
On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 9:21 PM, Brent Meeker <meek...@verizon.net>
wrote:
>
>
> And so do you think of yourself as agnostic about the value of
fascism?...or
> communism?
Yes, I reject simplistic views of History where one side is 100% good
and the other 100% evil. Absolute belief leads to terrible ideas, such
as trying to bomb countries into democracy.
That goes for converting folks to humility and agnosticism too,
which basically implies "humility/agnosticism in terms of my fuzzily
defined reality bubble". That's both simplistic and unclear. PGC
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