Hi people,
I think that this post is pure trolling. John comes back with
questions already answered.
Any one can find the answers in the previews posts.
If anyone else has a question on this, please ask, or comment, but in
this present case we are looping.
Does anyone else have a problem with step 3 (the frist person
indeterminacy in self-duplication experience)?
Or does anyone else believe John is trying to say something, and in
that case could he or she explains it?
Bruno
On 09 Feb 2017, at 01:53, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 4:40 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>
wrote:
>>> from the third person points of view that he can have about
himself, or better himselves.
>> No idea what that means, none whatsoever.
> It means that the guy can say to his friend: you can join me
at W *and* at M. he talk about his first person experience from the
third person pov.
My friend can talk about his first person experience from
the third person pov ? What does that have to do with me or my
duplicate? I still have no idea what you're trying to say,
none whatsoever.
> That definition is already in the papers, and in all posts on
this subject. read the post and memorize the definition.
You make it quite clear that the content of the diary is the
definition, but you don't know what it's the definition of. And I
will tell you that the ultimate answer is 42 and you should memorize
that, but I don't know what the ultimate question is.
> Both have that memory, and we agreed that both are the H-guy.
The one thing we agree on.
>> So why do you keep talking about that stupid diary?
> Because its content is used to track the first person
views. It works, without any ambiguity.
It only tells about past views, views about a individual that has
changed, and changed in a way that is NOT unique. So how on
earth could that not lead to ambiguity?
> This is handled very simply, both intuitively.
Intuition is useless in a world with people duplicating
machines.
> W-JC is H-JC and M-JC is H-JC.
Yes.
> We did agree that W-JC is NOT M-JC.
Yes.
> That's why there is an 1p-indeterminacy.
Huh? What exactly is indeterminate about that?
> You just cannot be, with that protocol, feeling seeing the
two cities at once.
You you you. Bruno Marchal would be lost without good old
Mr.You!
> the pronouns are handled by Kleene's second recursion theorem.
I can recognize bafflegab when I see it, and that my friend is
bafflegab.
>>> If there were a 1p-duplication, the diary would
contain "Now I have the feeling to see simultaneously the city of W
and the city of M".
>> I'm looking at the diary right now and it says "I was
the guy at H yesterday and now it is February 7 2017 at
1900 GMT and I see W" and "I was the guy at H
yesterday and now It is February 7 2017 at 1900 GMT and I see
M".
> That is nonsense.It is: " I'm looking at the diary right now
and [...]
It's diaries not diary. Plural. If the machine can duplicate a
person it can certainly duplicate a book; and both those quotations
are in the diaries of the guy who remembers being in H.
John K Clark
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