On 30 Mar 2017, at 20:30, John Clark wrote:
On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 9:17 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>
wrote:>
>> Definition: God is Reality.
> Idiocy is certainly real so the statement "God is a idiot" is
true.
> Reality is an idiot?
Yes, but you're the one changing the meaning of the word "reality"
as well as "God" not me. Idiocy is certainly part of reality,
if God is Reality then Reality is God. And thus the
conclusion is obvious.
> atheism is the faith in some God, which gives you apparently the
mystical insight that God is not Reality.
This has nothing to do with mysticism, mathematics, logic,
science, theology, atheism, or philosophy; this has to do
with vocabulary and nothing else. By saying "Definition: God
is Reality" you have not told us one damn thing about the nature of
the world, all you're doing is proposing a change in the meaning
of a certain sound that certain primates on a certain planet use to
communicate to other members of their species. That's it.
>> And now that you've change the meaning
> I did not change the meaning. You did.
Well I give you credit for one thing, at least you didn't start
babbling about the ancient Greeks again.
> we must be open minded.
But not so open minded all our brains fall out.
> The proposition "God is Reality" is accepted in all religion,
including the Materialist religion.
Bullshit. All religious leaders say God is real but that is very
different from saying God is reality.
I meant what i say since the beginning: by definition God is the roots
of everything. it is a common we search on this list. The greeks, the
mystics and then logic explains that we cannot justify the existence
of such reality, be it matter, or number structure. That is why we use
axiom.
A doghouse is real but if a doghouse is reality then reality is
a doghouse. Do you really want to defend that position?
Yes, but with God instead of dog. And, as you say yourself, it is not
a position, but a defifinition. The point is that the physical science
does not address that question, even if most people take for granted
the Aristotelian solution; God the physical universe, with some first
mover, which is akin to say in modern time that God is some equation,
with initial condition.
May be that is true, but my point is that it cannot be true if
mechanism is assumed.
But as I pointed out in my last post there is now a hole in the
language, we need a new word to take the place of the old
meaning of the word "God"
The old meaning is mine. The meaning you rfer too is the recent
Christian meaning. Even the jews, christians and muslim have beun to
use the old meaning, but for some reason they came back to the
Aristotelian meaning (like you).
that 99.9% of the people on this planet think of when they
see the ASCII sequence G-O-D, a conscious omnipotent omniscient
being who created the universe. What new ASCII sequence do you
suggest we use for that?
You seem to forget that in our history, the theological science have
been taken out of science for question of power. You defend the use of
those you mock and disbelieve. I am not sure you are consistent. The
god of the christians is mainly the material reality (doubly so for
the catholic).
All the debate on the existence of God (the first one) is a trick to
make us forget that the greeks, and the original mystic, where
doubting about the creation, not the creator.
The real question is: is there a primary physical universe. The
theorem is a partial answer: "NO" if mechanism is correct. See the
post or my publications.
Bruno
John K Clark
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