Thanks Bruno! Best, Telmo.
On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 10:58 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Telmo, > > On 11 Jul 2017, at 10:26, Telmo Menezes wrote (to Brent): > >> Hi Brent, >> >> Which book by Vic would you recommend one to read first? > > > I let Brent answer this, but I have to say that his book "A comprehensible > cosmos" is *very* good. I enjoyed it a lot, and it shows that a lot of > physics will be available from arithmetic and mechanism, and its quantum > logic, once we got the physical space structure (of course a very difficult > task). > > His book "God the Failed Hypothesis" is cute, but is *very* naive on > theology. I agree with all what he says, but I do not believe in his notion > of God. > > I read only those two books by him. > > Best! > > Bruno > > > >> >> Cheers, >> Telmo. >> >> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 5:22 AM, Brent Meeker <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> Interesting essay. When I was helping edit Vic's books I made a similar >>> argument too him - that the reason his Point-of-View-Invariance seemed so >>> powerful in rederiving physics is that physicist were only interested in >>> things that obeyed POVI. >>> >>> You wrote: >>> >>> Let us say we were interested in describing all phenomena in our >>> universe. >>> What type of mathematics would we need? How many axioms would be needed >>> for >>> mathematical structure to describe all the phenomena? Of course, it is >>> hard >>> to predict, but it is even harder not to speculate. One possible >>> conclusion >>> would be that if we look at the universe in totality and not bracket any >>> subset of phenomena, the mathematics we would need would have no axioms >>> at >>> all. That is, the universe in totality is devoid of structure and needs >>> no >>> axioms to describe it. Total lawlessness! The mathematics are just plain >>> sets without structure. This would finally eliminate all metaphysics when >>> dealing with the laws of nature and mathematical structure. It is only >>> the >>> way we look at the universe that gives us the illusion of structure. >>> >>> I"m sure you're aware of Max Tegmark's "Mathematical Universe Hypothesis" >>> in >>> which all possible mathematical structures obtain in some universe; and >>> his >>> later restriction of this idea to the "Computable Universe Hypothesis" in >>> which only Turing computable universes exist. But you are probably not >>> aware of the ideas of Bruno Marchal, a mathematical logician in Brussels. >>> He has a much more worked out idea of reality based on the Universal >>> Dovetailing computer which he combines with the assumption that >>> consciousness is certain kind of information processing to conclude that >>> the >>> UD computation produces all experience and implies physics. It seems >>> like a >>> crankish idea at first, but Bruno is a very nice and serious guy, not at >>> all >>> a crank (though I don't agree with all of his theories). Here's his >>> basic >>> paper: >>> >>> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/publications/SANE2004MARCHALAbstract.html >>> I know him from his posting on the Everything list; >>> [email protected] >>> >>> Brent >>> >>> >>> >>> On 7/10/2017 3:56 PM, Noson Yanofsky wrote: >>> >>> Thank you! >>> >>> >>> >>> Vic Stenger’s books are always very interesting!!! >>> >>> >>> >>> Attached is a paper on finding lawlessness. >>> >>> And here is a link to another paper that was just published: >>> >>> http://nautil.us/issue/49/the-absurd/chaos-makes-the-multiverse-unnecessary >>> >>> >>> >>> Please pass them on to whoever would be interested in them. >>> >>> >>> >>> All the best, >>> >>> Noson >>> >>> From: Brent Meeker [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 4:48 PM >>> To: spinozalens via Free Thinkers Physics Discussion Group >>> <[email protected]>; [email protected]; Atvoid-2 >>> <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: Lawrence Krauss Should Have Paid Attention to Vic >>> >>> >>> >>> It's gratifying to see Vic's contribution to the philosophy of science >>> recognized. I think it's important to recognize though that mathematics >>> is >>> not "effective" in weeding out false physics theories. Intelligence has >>> evolutionary advantage insofar as it is good at prediction; which is >>> implicitly projection of regularities into the future. So humans have a >>> built-in tendency to see patterns - even where they are specious. They >>> can >>> build mathematical theories which don't have any reference reality, just >>> as >>> they can invent superstitions about physical events. >>> >>> Anyway, thanks to Prof Yanofsky. >>> >>> Brent >>> >>> On 7/10/2017 8:14 AM, spinozalens via Free Thinkers Physics Discussion >>> Group >>> wrote: >>> >>> In Marcus Chown's delightful book " The Never Ending Days of Being Dead" >>> a >>> whole chapter ( Patterns in the Void) is devoted to Vic's ideas " Where >>> The >>> Laws Of Physics Comes From" Chown used good judgement including this >>> chapter >>> in his book. I think that had Lawrence Krauss been more familiar with >>> Vic's work , he possibly wouldn't have walked in the minefield he did >>> with >>> his book. "A Universe From Nothing" In my opinion Vic had a very good >>> answer to this question. This answer has not received enough attention in >>> the physics and philosophy communities. Here mathematician Noson S >>> Yanofky >>> fleshes out these ideas in more detail. >>> >>> >>> >>> Bob Zannelli >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Why Mathematics Works So Well >>> >>> Noson S. Yanofsky >>> >>> (Submitted on 28 Jun 2015) >>> >>> A major question in philosophy of science involves the unreasonable >>> effectiveness of mathematics in physics. Why should mathematics, created >>> or >>> discovered, with nothing empirical in mind be so perfectly suited to >>> describe the laws of the physical universe? We review the well-known fact >>> that the symmetries of the laws of physics are their defining properties. >>> We >>> show that there are similar symmetries of mathematical facts and that >>> these >>> symmetries are the defining properties of mathematics. By examining the >>> symmetries of physics and mathematics, we show that the effectiveness is >>> actually quite reasonable. In essence, we show that the regularities of >>> physics are a subset of the regularities of mathematics. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> https://arxiv.org/abs/1506.08426 >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Free Thinkers Physics Discussion Group" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/atvoid-2/15d2d10eb24-2482-168e1%40webprd-m23.mail.aol.com. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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