On 24 Nov 2017, at 03:43, Jason Resch wrote:
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 1:38 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>
wrote:
On 19 Jul 2013, at 20:30, John Clark wrote:
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Kermit Rose <ker...@polaris.net>
wrote:
> Is not the polarization of the photon the hidden variable that
determines the probability of the photon making it through the
filter?
That is what most people thought until experiments proved that
simply cannot be the explanation because Bell's inequality is
violated. And if that seems like a crazy way for the world to
operate don't blame me blame God, I sent in a resume but
unfortunately Yahweh got the job.
>> Even if Quantum Mechanics is someday proven to be untrue Bell's
argument is still valid, in fact his original paper had no Quantum
Mechanics in it;
> Exactly. This is why I am puzzled, and why I question the
validity of the Bell inequality.
Bell proved that any system that obeys ANY theory that works by
hidden variables MUST have certain properties; we find from
experiment that the world does NOT have those certain properties,
therefore the world CANNOT work by hidden variables and any theory
that tries to use them, now or in the future, is going to fail.
Quantum Mechanics does not work by hidden variables and that is one
reason it has not failed.
> his point was that any successful theory about the world must
explain why his inequality is violated.
> Does Quantum Mechanics explain why his inequality is violated?
Nope, it predicts it but doesn't explain it,
Contrary to computationalism which both predict and explain non
locality, non cloning of matter, and indeterminacy. We will get
there fter I have explained computability and provability, and the
intensional nuance brought by incompleteness. But the UDA gives the
intuition why it would be astonishing to get the Bell inequality not
violated.
Bruno,
I was wondering if you could shed some light on how the UDA would
lead one to expect the violation of the Bell inequality.
Hi Jason,
I was alluding to the non-locality inherent in the fact that we (any
conscious being in virtue of having a brain/computer) cannot be aware
of the delays for the reconstitution in the Universal Dovetailing. We
can expect violation of any criteria of locality, like we could expect
to be able to travel space at a speed greater than light, by, in some
spaceship, annihilating us+diary+clock and reconstituting us with some
large delay of 3p local spaceship-time for example. Note that this
could even make us expect non-locality in a multiverse,, but this is
almost trivial as we could a priori (without taking into account the
constraints of being a machine referring to itself) anything to
happen, which is another way to present the white rabbit/white noise
prediction. The locality, and lawful appearance of the physical
universe seems to contradict the locality and computability of the
physical laws, which eventually have to be explained by taking all
computations into account, including facts which might take
10^(1000^1000) UD-steps in the dovetailing. The UD itself is local,
but the first person indeterminacy from which the laws of physics
emerge is typically not local (and this is similar to what I think
about the non-locality in one branch of the wave, but not in the whole
wave).
Then, in the math of the phenomenal observable, Z1*, the problem is
still open, but you would need a conspiracy (or "bad luck") for not
having Bell's inequality not violated, given its showing us already a
quantum highly non boolean aspect. But that is still an open problem
due to the non tractability of G* for many nested modal boxes.
I hope this helped a little bit. I gave once a similar explanation for
non-cloning. We could, with the UDA, expect that we cannot clone a
physical object exactly, because a priori, it is only an appearance
based on the infinities of computations going through our "actual
mental state below our susbstitution level.
Best,
Bruno
Jason
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