On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 4:15:33 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> On 30 Nov 2017, at 18:41, Lawrence Crowell wrote:
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> On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 4:30:13 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> Very interesting. It confirms the christians might have added this when
>> their integrist took power, as the "golden rule" is a trap, leading to the
>> idea that we can think at the place of the other, which is the base of the
>> religious form of oppression, perhaps all oppression. It is incredible that
>> they got the rule right before the christians. If you have some reference
>> again (take it easy: I know that kind of stuff is often hard to find back).
>> No, jesus did not improve the rule, and if jesus is responsible to this,
>> then he would have some responsibility in the rise of integrism. But I
>> doubt that Jesus made that improvement. That is more plausibly something
>> attribute to him by the integrist later. I suppose. I will do some search
>> on the "silver rule". I am glad you find the Silver Rule more sensible.
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>> Bruno
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> There is the golden rule: do unto others as you would want done to you
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> the silver rule Do unto others as they request they do for them
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> the iron rule do not do to others what you would not want done to you
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> the lead rule: do things to others before they do things to you
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> Interesting. The last one looks like a joke, is it not?
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> If you have references, I am interested. (The "Löbian rule" is missing:
> don't do to others what they would not want to be done to them, although
> the silver rule seems to be the closest).
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I think it is more the iron rule. This is actually the rule voiced by Rabbi
Hillel
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> I see came with some news today about Garrison Keillor, who is accused of
> sex abuse now. It appears the offense stems from his rubbing the back of a
> woman coworker on Prairie Home Companion where his hand inadvertently
> touched the skin on her lower back. This is not just grey in morality, but
> white with a few dots on it. Franken is a bit worse, though I think it is
> excusable with a bit of contrition. Moore is more grey, though so far I
> don't think there are recent accusations. It gets greyer and more black
> with Weinstein, Trump and Cosby. Then comes the news that the rightwing
> fake news group that did the whole thing against ACORN has tried to get a
> woman to make an accusation with the intention of exposing this as a
> Democratic fake attack.
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> What does this mean for AI? It means robotic sex partners and significant
> others. Seriously, it things are on the cusp of going completely crazy I
> think any man would be wise to run from the whole thing of dating and the
> rest and just have your Stepford Wife, if you remember that little
> dystopian movie. As for the next generation, well Huxley got that figured
> out. Children will be raised in corporate nurseries. Maybe if not the whole
> human race might just elect to close it all down. That won't happen, but if
> I were in AI right now I would be seeing a huge opportunity for robotic SOs.
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> For a time maybe. Until the robotic doll does strikes and fight for social
> security, and sue the users.
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> My current feeling, in part related to computer science, but also on
> altered state of consciousness (notably brought by salvia), is that the
> universal machine is somehow maximally conscious and maximally intelligent
> (but also maximally incompetent). Then, augmenting his competence
> diminishes its intelligence. We can't really have both.
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> Yet, human consciousness requires long histories (deep in Bennett sense,
> if you know what it is, if not I can give reference). But de Chardin said,
> we are not human having spiritual experience, but are spiritual being
> having human experience.
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> It will take a long time before the man made machine and its descendants
> become as stupid as the humans. The christian are right on this, perhaps,
> the heaven might belong to the simple minds. The brain does not create
> consciousness, but it filters the truth and focus the attention. But
> consciousness is only a selector, and with the brain, becomes an
> accelerator (for the best and/or the worst).
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> Bruno
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> PS I will probably take more time for your QCD post.
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The role of Gödel's theorem in physics is closely tied to black holes I
think. The classic physical analogue is the case of the switch that is
turned off according to Zeno's prescription. It is off at t = 0, on at t =
1/2 off at t = 3/4 and so forth so it has an infinite number of change in
the one time interval. This is a divergence of frequency and at some point
the energy involved exceeds the mass-energy permitted in the region of the
switch and it becomes a black hole. There is within the context of quantum
information some relationship between Gödel theorem or self-reference and
black holes may occur.
The Penrose diagram below illustrates this further. Suppose we have an
observer in region I who enters the black hole by crossing the outer
horizon r_+ = m + sqrt{m^2 - a^2}. The observer in region II may then cross
the inner horizon r_- = m - sqrt{m^2 - a^2} to enter region III or region
IV because this horizon is split. The outer horizon is split as well where
there is this additional region II. Looking more locally our observer who
enters region III will cross this inner horizon that is continuous with I^+
in region I. This means there is an infinite amount of full geodesics that
pile up on r_-, which can carry information. We then have an asymptotic
version of the above situation with the light switch. We can also think of
this as a situation where the observer approaching r_- may then receive an
infinite string of qubits in a finite time period. Obviously from a
physical perspective this appears to be an UV divergence. However, we may
think of our intrepid observer as performing a sort of Cantor
diagonalization. Our observer may also cross the other r_- where upon there
is a pile up of null geodesics from region II.
We could think of regions I and II as entangled regions, and so the single
black hole appears in two regions as two entangled black holes. This means
the states composing the two black holes are completely entangled. It would
be hard to generate such a black hole, but with careful state preparation
and Zeno-machine quantum prevention of Hawking radiation it is
theoretically possible. The UV divergence on the interior horizon is then a
form of mass-inflation. This is a somewhat difficult topic to discuss in
detail here. However, a physical sense of this pile up of null geodesics
gives a sense of this. However, the question now is whether for this
entangled situation this still occurs and reflects the limitations of
accounting quantum information. In other words is Gödel's theorem applied
to this situation a case of how quantum error correction codes have
limitations; no quantum error correction code can ever completely account
for the processing of quantum gravitational information.
LC
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