On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 11:35:37 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
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> My contention is that for a macroscopic object, such as the coin, the 
> randomness is always deterministic, and due to our lack of knowledge of 
> the initial conditions. Classical probability theory arose from such 
> cases, as in card games or the roulette wheel and other games of chance. 
> The argument is as to whether...


Quantum mechanics is deterministic. Measurement is difficult to understand. 
If one had a complete ability to catalog quantum states a better prediction 
can be made with respect to what is called randomness. For measurement 
however this would seem to require a set of quantum states associated with 
the measurement needle state be capable of encoding not only the state of 
the system, but their own states and this leads to difficulties. 
Measurement and randomness associated with decoherence and measurement 
might be a case of axiomatic incompleteness of QM.

LC

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