On 12/13/2017 5:24 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, December 13, 2017 at 10:44:14 PM UTC, Brent wrote:
On 12/13/2017 2:20 PM, agrays...@gmail.com <javascript:> wrote:
On Wednesday, December 13, 2017 at 9:15:36 PM UTC, Brent wrote:
On 12/13/2017 2:45 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
*BUT for a nucleus of a radioactive element, the nucleus is
never Decayed and Undecayed SIMULTANEOUSLY.*
Sure it is. It's in a coherent superposition of those states
until it interacts with the environment.
Brent
*
That's the conventional QM wisdom and the cause of the paradox of
a cat Alive and Dead simultaneously. As I explained, the fallacy
is rooted in an unjustified generalization of the double slit
experiment where the probability waves do, in fact, exist
simultaneously. What waves do you claim are interacting for the
radioactive nucleus to produce coherence? Tell me about them. I
am from Missouri. AG*
You seem to think that coherence requires two different waves.
This is the wrong way to look at it. In Young's slits experiment
there is only one wave, which goes through both slits and
interferes with itself.
*That's exactly how I see it! Interference requires two waves which
interact with each other.
*
/*NO. This is false! */ /*There are not two waves.*/ You can write it
as two parts, just as you can write a description of an ocean wave as
the part on your left and the part on your right. But so long as they
are coherent, maintaining a fixed phase relation, they are one wave.
*This is exactly what we see in Young's slits experiments. AG
*
And unstable nucleus has a probability amplitude that includes a
"decayed" part and a "not decayed" part. It's a tunneling problem.
*I don't doubt the existence of amplitudes. What I do doubt. and in
fact deny, is interference between two waves that don't exist
simultaneously. *
You keep referring to two waves. /*There are not two waves. */There's
only one wave which interferes with itself. It is typically written as
|not-decayed> + |decayed>, but that's just a choice of basis. It could
as well be written |unstable nucleus>.
*If there's no interference, then the cat cannot be Alive and Dead
simultaneously. Tunneling can exist, but still, no simultaneous
interacting, interfering waves. Is there any advantage to believing in
two waves which don't exist simultaneous, can interfere with each
other? AG*
You are confused.
Brent
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