On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 12:53 AM, Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > > > On 1/1/2018 3:30 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 8:56 AM, Lawrence Crowell > <goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 2:14:35 AM UTC-6, Russell Standish wrote: >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 09:41:33PM -0800, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >>> > >>> > In fact, prior to viewing the video posted, I was convinced that the >>> > incident at Roswell was a balloon from Project Mogul. But the video >>> > convinced me otherwise. AG >>> >>> What did you find so convincing? My scepticism is immediately aroused >>> by humanoid ETIs. There's no good reason why intelligent animals >>> should be humanoid. Plus there was that photo of ET that was recently >>> discovered to be of a mummified child. >>> >>> The point Fermi makes is that any technological civilisation capable >>> of interstellar travel will quite rapidly convert the entire galaxy >>> into artifical structures, such as dyson spheres. This makes me >>> sceptical about ET conspiracy theories. If ET exists, they should be >>> damn obvious by rights, just like American tourists in Rome in July. >> >> >> I would second this. Fermi's argument would suggest that if ETs were >> abundant in the universe and if they persisted they would be very apparent. >> The lack of such clear evidence suggests that ETs are not widely abundant in >> the universe, they may not last very long (we may be headed down that path) >> and if they do exist they are separated by distances far too large for >> travel and maybe too distant for even radio communication. > > > I am partial to the Transcension Hypothesis as an answer to the Fermi > Paradox: https://accelerating.org/articles/transcensionhypothesis.html > > > But wouldn't they explore this universe first?
Maybe not. Suppose that we are a few centuries away from Transcension. Homo Sapiens is 200K years old. The Universe is 13.7 billion years old. It is easy to imagine a situation where species such as Homo Sapiens only exist for an incredibly quick blip in a state where they are worth visiting or communicating with. If these blips are sufficiently sparse in time and space (which sounds reasonable from all we know so far), then looking for them could be a pointless exercise. Apart from that, the Universe is too big for the light speed limit. Even exploring one's galactic neighborhood could have a cost/reward ratio that is way too low to make sense. Why delay the computational exodus, and instead spend who knows how long exploring endless repetitions of the same bare planets, perhaps punctuated by a few with very primitive life forms? I would say that we already see the seed of this way of thinking in our own civilization. Consider how the space race quickly fizzled out, and the actual societal transformation of the last decades has been driven by computer technology. We are already escaping inwards! Of course this is highly speculative, but fun to think about. Happy new year! Telmo. > Brent > > > This fictionalized version is a great read: http://frombob.to/you/index.html > > Jason > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
