My goal is not necessarily trying to show how to get something from nothing, but to show nothing is inconsistent.
Below you say there can be no truth or facts about nothing if there is absoltely nothing, which is perhaps one way of showing that such an absolutist nothing is itself inconsistent. "If it's not true that nothing exists" then something exists. To define a consistent nothing and admit facts about it seems the next most minimal step. But it's hard to prevent such truth statements or the numbers from getting out of control and creating something. Jason On Friday, June 29, 2018, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 8:21 AM, Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > ** >> *You presume there can be no true facts about nothing?* >> > > If a fact existed about nothing then there is something. Maybe you think > I'm being unfair but I want a nothing on steroids, and I'm not doing > anything that others didn't do to physicists when they showed how the > vacuum could produce something and they said all that showed was that a > vacuum was something and Leibniz's nothing wasn't nothing enough. The > guiding principle here is that if anyone finds a way to make something from > nothing then you can always find a better nothing. > > >> >> >> *> I guess what I am asking is:> Can nothing be defined without >> presupposing logic?> Can nothing be defined without presupposing math?* > > It doesn't matter, even if you found a way to do without either of those > things you've still got to use some thing to go from nothing to something; > and whatever that thing is it's not nothing. It's conceivable to me that > sometime within the next 30 years or so we may discover a few relatively > simple *physical* rules that could lead to the creation of a universe, and > I think that is as close as we will ever get to answering the question why > there is something rather than nothing. It may not be nothing enough for > some people to be happy but you can't always get what you want. > > > John K Clark > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
