> Il 31 luglio 2018 alle 5.06 [email protected] ha scritto: > > > > On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 12:57:34 AM UTC, Jason wrote: > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 7:42 PM Bruce Kellett < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > From: Jason Resch <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 7:22 PM > > > Bruce Kellett < [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Jason Resch > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 2:38 PM Brent > > > > > > Meeker < [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/30/2018 7:39 AM, Jason Resch > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does it exist and > > > > > > > > > happen, or does the final result merely materialize magically > > > > > > > > > like the live or dead cat? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my view, we don't know > > > > > > > > > how the final result materializes; the great unsolved problem > > > > > > > > > in QM, aka the measurement problem, or a large part of it. > > > > > > > > > But why introduce intermediate values, which IIUC the theory > > > > > > > > > says don't exist. AG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where does it say that? If I > > > > > > > > recall correctly, Schrodinger did not put a caveat on his > > > > > > > > equation which said it cannot be used to refer to anything that > > > > > > > > is real. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was the point of Schroedinger's cat experiment. > > > > > > > > Schroedinger invented it to show the fallacy of regarding the > > > > > > > > wf as real because it led to the absurdity of a cat that was > > > > > > > > both alive and dead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was a bit before he started to realize > > > > > > that the equation for which he won the Nobel prize might be true. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In physics, > > > > > > equations are neither true nor false. They are either useful or > > > > > > not. And they require interpretation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The point is, Shrodinger went from: > > > > A) believing that what mathematics of his equation > > > > plainly said was happening about the cat lead to a > > > > contradiction/paradox/negative result > > > > to > > > > B) Starting to come around to believing it might > > > > actually be describing reality as it is. > > > > > > > > > > > Not every useful description tells us > > > > what reality is "really" like. > > > > > > Besides, we have come a long way since Schrödinger, so he > > > isn't the final word on anything at all. > > > > > > > > > > If you follow the comments above, you will see this was a response > > to someone saying that Schrodinger introduced the cat experiment to show > > the absurdity of believing the wave function was real. > > > > > > You might be referring to my comments. I didn't exactly say that the wf > isn't real. I was focused on the superposition being wrongly interpreted, and > IMO this is what Schroedinger showed with his cat experiment. I then > concluded that superposition, and hence the wf which is described by a > superposition, contains information only. Whether this qualifies for "real" > depends on what "real" means. But if the wf contains information only, I > suppose we can say it is real in some sense even though no one has seen one! > AG >
this reminds me of "negative-result measurements" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renninger_negative-result_experiment there are cases in which the ontic nature of a component of the superposition is questionable. > > > > > > Jason > > > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > mailto:[email protected] . > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > mailto:[email protected] . > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
