> On 25 Apr 2019, at 18:37, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List > <[email protected]> wrote: > > That's how existence is: miraculous.
I agree that the existence of the natural numbers is miraculous, because we can prove in elementary logic that we cannot derive them from anything simpler and not Turing-equivalent. But that is the case for all theories: we cannot derive anything from nothing: we need starting axioms, and we need to make them all explicit, given the complexity of the subject. But we try to start from what all people agrees, like x + 0 = x, for exemple. > And we have evidence for it: just get out of the chair and move around the > room and there's your evidence. I see evidence for phenomenological chair and objects, but that is an evidence for my experience, not for your experience. This requires to assume something. My experience does not explain your experience, nor your (apparent) body, and its (apparent) role. Bruno > > On Thursday, 25 April 2019 15:27:17 UTC+3, stathisp wrote: > > > On Thu, 25 Apr 2019 at 8:38 pm, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List > <[email protected] <javascript:>> wrote: > You forgot the last point where consciousness initiate the signal. > > That would mean, at some point in this causal chain, something miraculous > happening, like a bone moving without any muscle contracting. If this > happened, we would have evidence for it, since we consciously do things all > the time. > -- > Stathis Papaioannou > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
