> On 1 May 2019, at 20:13, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 5/1/2019 10:19 AM, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: >> No, this is the mistake that you make. You confuse artificial entities with >> natural entities. In an artificial entities the functional parts that they >> contain are 100% knowable by us, because it is us who put them there in the >> first place. > > No. We assemble them. But they are not 100% knowable, c.f. Holevo's theorem.
Right. That is an important point, both in contemporary physics, and in the physics of the numbers. Bruno > >> On the other hand, in a natural entity, the functional parts are not >> completely known to us. You can look at the brain and see neurons, but you >> cannot conclude from this that neurons are all there are there. > > No. But you can experiment and determine what happens when one is removed or > stimulated. > >> There can be an infinite amount of invisible entities, dark matter, dark >> energy, who knows what, that contributes to what the brain is and does. >> Therefore, you cannot look at the brain as a machine. > > I can as an hypothesis. And I can make intelligent machines . > >> >> This of course, besides the fact that the brain does not exist, being just a >> quale in consciousness. > > You keep saying that as though it has some significance. It's fine that you > attempt and idealist TOE and take quale as fundamental. But it is silly to > then say a brain is just quale. In you theory everything is just quale. But > you need to explain why brain quale are different from computer quale and > muscle quale. Why having thumping quale interact (how?) with brain quale > results in no quale? > > Brent > >> >> You can even have a look at my SAND presentation if you want to hear once >> more how the brain does not exist: >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jMAy6ft-ZQ >> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jMAy6ft-ZQ> >> >> On Wednesday, 1 May 2019 19:42:48 UTC+3, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Brent >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list >> <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
