Exactly, Terren!
Cosmin, your "evidence" is mostly anecdotal or experiments made under
poor conditions. They are made by Dean Radin, who, it seems, will
believe, like my dad, no matter how many times he gets poor or no
results. I did look at quite a few of those he had listed.
Randomization, which is extremely important, is often non-existent in
some of those "reports." Some groups are of "believers." Statistics of
small numbers at best, or poor researchers.
To take a couple items, Puthoff, Targ, Ingo Swann I've talked to years
ago. They never responded to Ray Hyman's demand they show hard evidence.
Government's Operation Stargate (remote viewing) in response to Soviet
Union's claims of esp superiority - _total absolute failure_, in spite
of what Radin writes. The scientists controlling stargate, to relax the
test subjects, initially fabricated "hits" to put them at ease - before
they gave the actual tests. But these test subjects remember those
fabricated "hits" as real hits. Ingo Swann was one of those stargaters
who still believed he had real remote viewing hits. These believing
tested subjects refused to accept the truth, wrote books badmouthing
the government, accusing them of a coverup, etc. Proof of the pudding
is that when Stargate ended, there was no followup, and those who
claimed they were capable never got called again. There is no department
of ESP.
There are tens of thousands of books written on Christianity, Islam,
Hindu, and other religions, which attest to so many miracles, events of
healing, etc. Why not believe them? They are just as convincing as
Radin's stuff! Demonstrate or find someone who can.... Anything other
than demonstration of something you say is so common - is irrational. We
are not dogmatic believers. You are. Cosmin, demonstrate... or find
someone who can. You name the terms. My clairvoyance also tells me you
won't or can't.
On 5/20/2019 8:23 PM, Terren Suydam wrote:
I'll add my voice to those asking you to put up or shut up. Produce an
act of telepathy. You name the terms, since you're the one making the
claim that you can do it.
But you won't do it, because you can't. That's my clairvoyant prediction.
On Mon, May 20, 2019, 6:37 PM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List
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See ? That's the problem with you irrational materialist dogmatic
believers. Even if people gives you evidence, you keep continue
yelling "EVIDENCE! EVIDENCE!". Maybe you should consult a
psychiatrist or something. You cannot have dialogues with
irrational broken records.
As a footnote to your link for Dean Radin, look through his links - even
the first one.... And with small N's, what can be concluded. I'm sure
he is honorable, but nevertheless he "believes" what he's writing. My
father, similar EE education to Dean Radin, without the PhD, was also a
believer, super-impressed by a parlor psychic "show" at Purdue
University in 1939 - even though, in his 102 years of life, he never
verified anyone as capable.... even though he probably spent 10% of his
time investigating.
Ignorance of what? Telepathy is defined as some sort of "communication"
by all who claim they have it.
If you think that the dialogue going on in your head - when you think of
someone - is telepathy, then you are mistaken. But demo it.
As Bruno says, "and I see no evidences" sums it up - his conclusion and
100 years of scientific investigation by PSICOP (/Committee/ for the
Scientific Investigation of Claims of the /Paranormal)//totally agree.
Look them up: /PSICOP was started in the 19th century to investigate
such claims - of which Randi was a prominent associate -
But, Cosmin, if you have (other than anecdotal) evidence of telepathy,
demonstrate it! That's what science is all about, isn't it?
Demonstrate my ignorance ! We are all happy to say "uncle" if you can
demonstrate telepathy or any other psychic capability...
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