> On 20 May 2019, at 01:15, Lawrence Crowell <[email protected]> > wrote: > > On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at 10:37:31 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 17 May 2019, at 09:04, Philip Thrift <[email protected] <javascript:>> >> wrote: >> >> >> On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 6:13:37 PM UTC-5, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 11:57:44 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 15 May 2019, at 03:07, Lawrence Crowell <[email protected] <>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> On Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 9:24:05 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> > On 12 May 2019, at 09:08, Evgenii Rudnyi <[email protected] <>> wrote: >>> > >>> > ‘I believe there are >>> > 15,747,724,136,275,002,577,605,653,961,181,555,468,044,717,914,527,116,709,366,231,425,076,185,631,031,296 >>> > protons in the universe, and the same number of electrons.’ >>> > >>> > Eddington, Arthur S. 1939. The Philosophy of Physical Science. Cambridge: >>> > Cambridge University Press. p. 170. The beginning of the Chapter XI, The >>> > Physical Universe. >>> >>> Lol. >>> >>> >>> The number is curiously not that different from the currently understood >>> number. >>> >>> To be honest I think there is only one electron in the universe. All these >>> electrons we see are just the same electron weaving through space and time. >> >> >> That is quite reasonable, but I am not sure an electron is a physical >> object, it is a locally observable invariant in some group theoretical >> transformation. The “electron” is a useful fiction, to send waves, or to >> make the atoms dialoguing into molecules and bigger strangely stable and >> persistent histories decorum. >> >> I al still curious why that number. I don’t have that book by Eddington. >> >> Bruno >> >> >> >> An electron is the occurrence of some quantum numbers in a small local >> region with the occurrence of a measurement. Prior to a measurement in one >> sense there is no such thing as the electron as a particle. There are >> experiments where the spin of an electron can manifest itself in one place >> and the charge somewhere else. Certain interferometers can separate the >> electron's quantum numbers. >> >> LC >> >> >> >>> >>> LC >>> >>> I guess this concerns the observable universe, which has grown a lot since >>> 1939. (Cf Hubble and “Hubble) >>> >>> Any idea of why that particular number? Beyond the apparent joke? >>> >>> Bruno >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >> >> >> >> >> Prior to a measurement in one sense there is no such thing as the electron >> as a particle. >> >> That is just a quasi-theological view in the catechism some physicists. >> >> @philipthrift > > > Thank you all for the precisions. > > Bruno > > What I say is the way quantum mechanics really works, and is backed by loads > of experimental data.
I agree on this as seen as a phenomenology. I mean, yes, that is quantum mechanics. Nevertheless, with digital mechanism, quantum mechanics (if correct) must be derived from elementary arithmetic, or equivalently from a combinatory algebra. Physics is given by a statistics on first person view based on all computations, which are executed in arithmetic (as we know since Gödel 1931 + Turing 1936). The theory of everything can be chosen to be just Kxy = x and Sxyz = xz(yz), and a few identify rules. I cannot use physics without risking to cheat. Physics has to be derived from machine’s theology, which must be derived from those two axioms (with CT + YD at the meta-level, if only to motivate the definition, but here Neoplatonist theology can help, like the though experiments should help too. Bruno > > LC > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/b97a9bc0-944b-46e3-aa46-9f107f375063%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/b97a9bc0-944b-46e3-aa46-9f107f375063%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/D74189A8-F4F6-4FD3-811A-30906BB9D9C8%40ulb.ac.be.
