I bet that biology is reducible to physics and the belief, since that is what it is, a belief, is one reason we have missed the boat on the life sciences apparently. We still can' (won't) bring basic physical elements and from this create organisms. My suspicion that since the days or Urey, scientists have backed off why this is not so. Unless we invoke the elan vitale? :-D
-----Original Message----- From: Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, Jul 24, 2019 5:59 am Subject: Re: Historical contingency and the futility of reductionism On 22 Jul 2019, at 22:33, spudboy100 via Everything List <[email protected]> wrote: I would say that physics is diff from inorganic chemistry and biological science, in the sense that how academics observe and measure phenomena. Its a Venn diagram in which the circles or ovals align one on top of the other, maybe off-center here and there, but the same thing. Biology is certainly different from physics, but that does not mean that terrestrial biology is not conceptually reducible to physics. Like with mechanism, physics remains different from arithmetic and computer science, but is conceptually reducible to or explained by, arithmetic. It is important to distinguish the ontology (what we assume at the start, and which is eventually shown *necessary* to assume), and the phenomenologies derived in the ontology, which does not introduce any new assumptions (only definitions). Bruno -----Original Message----- From: Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, Jul 22, 2019 9:31 am Subject: Re: Historical contingency and the futility of reductionism On 22 Jul 2019, at 11:44, Philip Thrift <[email protected]> wrote: Why chemistry (and biology) is not physics https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/the-curious-wavefunction/historical-contingency-and-the-futility-of-reductionism-why-chemistry-and-biology-is-not-physics/ Partly why I'm a materialist, not a physicalist. But this has implications for arithmetical reality (?). If Chemistry is not physics, it would mean that ours substitution level would be in between QM and chemistry (something slightly more complex to be sure, but it is a reasonable approximation). Now, I am not convinced by the paper above that chemistry is not reducible to quantum mechanics, especially that chemistry count the most successful application of quantum mechanics. I have no definite ideas on all this. The paper might confuse []p and []p & p, like 99,9998% of materialist thinkers here. Bruno @philipthrift -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/ff0ad61c-1be0-4932-8e16-ccce4b709ff7%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/5F43B183-2405-42A2-B979-BCA8B737DF03%40ulb.ac.be. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1752692774.5124225.1563827609817%40mail.yahoo.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/BE30DEB9-79C9-4A31-A94F-ED21C34A5A6E%40ulb.ac.be. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1876891389.6264953.1563999064905%40mail.yahoo.com.
