On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 5:21 AM Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>> You keep confusing stuff that can *do* things from stuff that can >>> not >> >> > > *>>>> You keep assuming that such things exists.* >> > > >>>You keep assuming existence exists. > > *>I have no interpretation for “existence exists”. I don’t see what this > could mean.* > It means about the same thing as your accusation that I assume that some things can *do* things and some things can't. In other words nothing. *> Mechanism assumes* [...] > Things don't care about assumptions and they don't care about mechanism either, they either *do* stuff (such as make calculations) or they don't. > > *In the Aristotelian theology* [...] > My cue to jump to the next paragraph. > > *Physics does not address the issues of metaphysics at all. * > Because Physics is not junk science and makes use of inductive reasoning and not just deductive. > >> So you agree that a Turing Machine can do something that Turing >> quintuplets or Lambda Calculus can not. > > > *> Physical machine can do thing that a mathematical machine cannot do. * > *YES!!* And a mathematical "machine" can NOT do anything a physical machine can't, so the physical machine is a more profound notion. A Physical Turing Machine may or may not be at the level of ultimate reality but it is certainly closer to it than Turing quintuplets or anything else pure mathematics can come up with. > >> Regardless of if I'm made of "primitive stuff" or not it remains true >> that a Turing Machine can do something that Turing quintuplets or Lambda >> Calculus can not. >> > > *> Yes, but that does not make them primitively real.* > Primitively real or not a Physical Turing Machine is certainly one hell of a lot closer to it than Turing quintuplets or Lambda Calculus. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv1RSc69SMKTGy7yRLQ8RtC%2BUXTZALonKTqEF_RpNHuC%2Bg%40mail.gmail.com.
