On Monday, January 20, 2020 at 1:47:49 PM UTC-7, John Clark wrote:
>
> On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 12:58 PM Alan Grayson <[email protected] 
> <javascript:>> wrote:
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> >> Are you talking about spatial curvature or spacetime curvature?
>>>
>>
>> *> I think the former, but I am unclear about the difference between the 
>> cases. There might not be a difference. AG*
>>
>
> Of course there is a difference! People had worked out the mathematics for 
> non-Euclidian spatial curvature by the early 18th century, but nobody knew 
> anything about spacetime curvature and how it relates to physics before 
> Einstein.
>

I meant the definition of curvature for space-time is certainly different, 
but I'm not sure how this difference relates to what I've conjectured. AG 

>
>
>> *> You might never return due to the rate of expansion being temporarily 
>> faster than light, but I think the universe would still be closed. AG*
>>
>
> Then Universe, Closed Universe, and Open Universe would all mean the same 
> thing. But they don't.
>

 Not the same. There would still be a difference between a sphere and a 
plane. AG 

>
> John K Clark
>


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