On Thursday, January 30, 2020 at 6:37:22 PM UTC-7, Alan Grayson wrote:
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> On Thursday, January 30, 2020 at 6:29:18 PM UTC-7, Alan Grayson wrote:
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>> On Thursday, January 30, 2020 at 5:09:56 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote:
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>>> On 1/30/2020 12:45 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:
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>>> That's not it. I think the two observers, one in a galaxy far removed 
>>> and one here, would read the same CMBR "time", regardless of the distant 
>>> galaxy's speed of recession.  But relativity says otherwise. This is what 
>>> puzzles me. AG
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>>> Ask yourself *when* do they read the same time.
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>> I don't know if this helps. Since the temperature of the CMBR is the same 
>> everywhere, at any time t, we can in principle determine if the two 
>> measurements are simultaneous or not. AG  
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> But regardless of simultaneity or not, there's no dilation of this clock! 
> (And AE doesn't say what a clock is.) What the hell is going on? AG 
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IOW, since the CMBR clock reading is the same everywhere, this strongly 
suggests that by THIS clock, there is no time dilation. AG 

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