> On 1 Feb 2020, at 21:17, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 2/1/2020 7:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 1 Feb 2020, at 06:20, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 1/31/2020 5:59 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 23 Jan 2020, at 22:19, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>>>> <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 1/23/2020 7:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 22 Jan 2020, at 21:01, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>>>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 1/22/2020 7:09 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 18 Jan 2020, at 10:16, Philip Thrift <[email protected] >>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Saturday, January 18, 2020 at 2:00:23 AM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/257476/how-did-the-universe-shift-from-dark-matter-dominated-to-dark-energy-dominate/257542#257542 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/257476/how-did-the-universe-shift-from-dark-matter-dominated-to-dark-energy-dominate/257542#257542> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Proof that physics = witchcraft with equations. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Maybe programming (implementing simulations in programs) would be >>>>>>>>> better. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Note that if Mechanism is correct, the physical reality cannot be >>>>>>>> emulated by a computer. The reason is that if “we” can be emulated by >>>>>>>> a computer, physics has to be reduced into a statistic on *all* >>>>>>>> computations, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Why "all". We can only experience a finite number of >>>>>>> thoughts/feelings/etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> For a fraction of a second, maybe. But for more, you need to take into >>>>>> account the infinitely many computations executed in the universal >>>>>> dovetailing (aka the sigma_1 truth). >>>>>> >>>>>> Take a universal machinery phi_i. A computation is a sequence phi_u(j)^s >>>>>> with s = 1, 2, 3, …, (s numbers the steps) and for u some universal >>>>>> number. By the fact that all programs recurs infinitely often in the >>>>>> universal dovetailing, + the fact that the first person cannot be aware >>>>>> of the step-time delays of the universal dovetailer, to get the physical >>>>>> (statistical) prediction right, you need to take into account the >>>>>> infinitely many programs running you. The first person dynamical >>>>>> experience is always a statistic on all infinitely many relative >>>>>> computational histories. >>>>> >>>>> A statistic on an infinite set can be (and usually is) finite >>>> >>>> What does that mean? >>> >>> A statistic is a function whose argument is a data set and whose value is a >>> number, e.g. Average is a statistic. >> >> No problem. But that is not the statistics, just a result in some >> statistical analysis. >> >> >>> >>>> >>>> You will need some measure on an infinite space to do the math. It will >>>> usually contain a continuum of open set on some non enumerable space. >>> >>> I don't need anything. You're the one who's claiming physics is a >>> statistic. >> >> Is not quantum physics, when use as a prediction tool, a statistic? > > No. A statistic is a function of data, not a prediction from theory. A > theory may be statistical in that it predicts distributions from which data > samples may be drawn, as statistical mechanics may predict the distribution > of pressure and temperature of a gas. But pressure and temperature are > averages of samples, i.e. statistics.
No problem with this Brent. It does not change my early point though, or I have missed something. When I say that physics become a statistics, I mean that we can only make statistical prediction for any first person experience. Of course some prediction can be equal to 1 or be close to 1. Physics is statistics in the sense that you cannot predict the exact position of an electron, but you can predict the distribution with high accuracy. That is a simple consequence of digital mechanism, where all prediction are theoretically reduce to a statistics on the sigma_1 sentences, and indeed the relevant modes get a quantum logical structure. And as mechanism got this in its correction of the brain-mind identity thesis, that saves the physical phenomenology, without eliminating the first person and consciousness. Bruno > > Brent > >> >> Bruno >> >> >> >> >>> >>> Brent >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> (although it's not clear what "statistic" you mean...or is it just >>>>> metaphor). >>>> >>>> It means the same as in the WM duplication, except that your relative >>>> continuation is all computations (including all oracles) going through >>>> your actual state. Cf step 7 of the UDA. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> And if we compute the statistic we can compute our experience. >>>> >>>> The net result is not computable, like with a coin in practice, or like >>>> with a quantum coin in both theory and practice. We can compute the >>>> distribution, but not the outcome per se of the experience. >>>> >>>> Bruno >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/4a802a67-7bbc-9c42-9954-0d8b2f3a3667%40verizon.net >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/4a802a67-7bbc-9c42-9954-0d8b2f3a3667%40verizon.net?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/B4D1F675-3195-4027-9867-E0978F777345%40ulb.ac.be >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/B4D1F675-3195-4027-9867-E0978F777345%40ulb.ac.be?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/7193d111-5f7b-4ff1-79ea-05b43b028ceb%40verizon.net > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/7193d111-5f7b-4ff1-79ea-05b43b028ceb%40verizon.net?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/D9986595-C687-4181-BF81-C8B5BB2EE970%40ulb.ac.be.
