On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 10:14 PM Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 26 Feb 2020, at 23:58, Bruce Kellett <[email protected]> wrote: > > From the first person perspective, there is indeterminacy, > > > That is the whole point. That is the 1p-indeterminacy I am talking about > (and that Clark, and only Clark, has a problem with). > > but no sensible assignment of probabilities is possible. > > > And you are right on this, in any “real case scenario”, but that is for > the next steps. > And in the theoretical analysis. I am glad that you acknowledge that there is no useful concept of probability in this WM-duplication scenario. A probability is never observed, but evaluated, using some theory. In the > finite case, the numerical identity suggest the usual binomial, and this is > easy to verify for simple scenario. > Yes, it is binomial because there are only two possible outcomes. But binomial without any specification of a probability for 'success'. All what is used is the fact that you are maximally ignorant on the brand > of coffee, and thus on the city you will see. Maximal ignorance is just > modelled by P = 1/2 traditionally, but that is not important, as the math > will show that we have no probabilities, but a quantum credibility measure. > That is probably what all this argument is actually about -- the maths show that there are no probabilities. Because there are no unique probabilities in the classical duplication case, the concept of probability has been shown to be inadmissible in the deterministic (Everettian) quantum case. The appeal by people like Deutsch and Wallace to betting quotients, or quantum credibility measures, are just ways of forcing a probabilistic interpretation on to quantum mechanics by hand -- they are not derivations of probability from within the deterministic theory. There are no probabilities in the deterministic theory, even from the 1p perspective, because the data are consistent with any prior assignment of a probability measure. Bruce -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAFxXSLQX%2B4zRuSQU_0wQ4Aoo%3DNX7c9TphFDcGpCtGbtFqryN7g%40mail.gmail.com.
