On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 10:49:13 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote:
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> On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 4:29:02 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote:
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>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 4:42 AM Alan Grayson <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> *> how can the EM field contribute anything to the vacuum energy in a 
>>> region of empty space far away from charged particles? *
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>> Because Quantum Mechanics tells us that some things can happen for no 
>> reason, and because it tells us that the law of conservation of energy can 
>> be violated, if only for a very short amount of time. So 2 particles with 
>> opposite charges can briefly pop into existence, and so can electromagnetic 
>> waves. And we know what Quantum Mechanics is telling us is true because 
>> it has been experimentally verified to very high precision.
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>> John K Clark
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> How does QM tell us that conservation of energy can be violated for brief 
> durations? If you apply the time-energy form of the UP for your proof, 
> please state the context of your proof, that is, exactly what do E and t 
> stand for in your proof. TIA, AG 
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Also, IMO, QM doesn't tell us that events are uncaused. All it tells us is 
the probability of some event being measured. Big difference! HOWEVER, you 
might want to argue that if a cause of a quantum event can be identified, 
it implies a local hidden variable, which has been shown *not* to exist. Is 
this what you claim to be able to show? AG 

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