> On 24 Apr 2020, at 06:29, spudboy100 via Everything List > <[email protected]> wrote: > > So, I have pondered that after countless ages and cycles, Turok/Steinhardt > Buddha, Brahma, out of thermodynamic instabilities, a Boltzmann Brain finally > emerges. Creates his or her own history and the universe flows forth. Is this > true? [SHRUG!] I don't know but it seems conjecturally, tasty Bruno, at least > to me.
After Göde’s 1931, + Turing 1936 (all foreseen by Emil Post 1920s), we know that all computations, and thus all Boltzman brain (whatever means are used to define them) are run in arithmetic. This disappoints some people when they grasp this fact.Yet it does not trivialise physics or theology, as it leads to a derivation of them from arithmetic, and this makes mechanism testable. Is this true? How could we ever knows that? Ins science we never say that a theory is true, we count the evidences and measure some degree of plausibility (that degree is not a number, note, but eventually a personal feeling). What we can say is that there are still no evidence for a primitively material universe, and rather a lot of evidences against it. The problem with the humans is that in the fundamental domain, they don’t care about evidence, and they care only on their wishes. Many people confused physics and metaphysics, observation and facts, proof and truth, etc. In theology, we still tolerate the lies, we still hide pour ignorance, and put the question under the rug (and mock the solutions by the same occasion). The evidences for the physical laws are not evidences for a physical Universe. What many people miss is just the fact that elementary arithmetic run all simulable reality, and that the physical reality emerges in a non computable way from all computations, making both consciousness and the physical reality not computable, and only partially predictable. Observations confirms this quantitatively and qualitatively (modal logic of obserrvable extrapolate from observation are similar to what is made oblatory from universal machine reasoning and introspection). It is the idea of a (primary) physical universe which is metaphysically conjectural. With mechanism, physics is not the fundamental science, despite its enormous importance, notably for the human consciousness. But “important” does not mean primitively real. Bruno > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thu, Apr 23, 2020 6:49 am > Subject: Re: The Observer & The Existence of Reality > > Samiya, > > That is what you get close to when believing in the collapse of the wave in > Quantum Mechanics. That’s why some say, like Belinfante (working on hidden > variable QM), QM implies a God or a Multiverse. The notion of God > unfortunately cannot be used in this context, unless God itself is explained, > but by definition it can’t. > > With mechanism things are simpler, there is the arithmetical reality, and the > multiverse appearance is explained by the many computational histories, > consciousness is explained by a semantic sort of fixed point, and the > appearance of a unique universal history is explained by human hubris. > As the mechanist explanation is testable, let us continue the test, but I > would say that materialism (the belief in ontological matter) is already > refuted, which explains why the most serious materialist try to get rid of > consciousness. > > Bruno > > > >> On 22 Apr 2020, at 14:37, Samiya Illias <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> > > The Observer & The Existence of Reality > A Religious Perspective > https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2020/04/the-observer-existence-of-reality.html > > <https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2020/04/the-observer-existence-of-reality.html?m=1> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/5915667F-3173-4DBA-8205-4BC572DB6F1A%40gmail.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/5915667F-3173-4DBA-8205-4BC572DB6F1A%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/01A6738E-178D-4728-92BD-C264A093A63A%40ulb.ac.be > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/01A6738E-178D-4728-92BD-C264A093A63A%40ulb.ac.be?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1822807361.24408.1587702544998%40mail.yahoo.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1822807361.24408.1587702544998%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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