> On 30 Apr 2020, at 02:27, spudboy100 via Everything List > <[email protected]> wrote: > > I can see the platonism of things or imagine that I can.I am profoundly > convinced also (another topic) that math is truly a gift, due to the wiring > of neurons. To your point my idea of Ludwig Boltzmann's simply seems logical, > or the simplest explanation for things as they appear to us now. I am correct > in this proposal?
All Boltzùan brain are implemented and executed in arithmetic, but for technical reason, they do not change the measure on all computations. You can easily write a program which generates all programs, and executes them piece by piece (by dovetailing), it will run all Boltzman brain, but the first person indeterminacy is on your infinitely many representations. The Botzmann brain have a measure zero there, normally. A good thing, because the Boltzmann brain explains nothing, actually, it introduces noise, if not “white rabbits”. By taking “all” computations, we get rid of the white rabbit by a generalisation of Feynman phase randomisation. > I should be the last person on this mailing list, because where's my > mathematical proofs? Yes to Godel, Turing, Post, to Pauli, Dirac, and to so > many more. How, I see the cosmos (and who cares how I see the cosmos) is not > only as a computation, but as a computation that generated physical reality. With mechanism, unless your consciousness supervene on the whole observable and non observable physical universe, the physical universe is not brought by a computation, but by an infinity of them. That follows fro the invariance of the first person experience explained in the first six step of the Universal Dovetailer Argument. Ask any question. > Beyond, this I guess that this is the 2nd (or more!)rendition of the running > of software, the program(s) have started, letting the errors pile up (the > failings of nature around us), I am aware that this is shocking for many people (in our current Aristotelian era), but there is no Nature around us existing ontologically. Nature is a local first person plural appearance. It is NOT like a video game, it is more like an infinity of video games. > though things seem to work well despite this. Finally, to be run when the > programmer gets things (for want of a better word) perfected. So am I > advocating Nietzsche's Eternal Return? No, that'd also be an error, as in > wasteful and redundant, but the idea of God as programmer, courtesy, Juergen > Schmidhuber, sort of blends in. The tiny partially computable part of arithmetic is enough. No need to anthropomorphise elementary arithmetic. No one explains to a kid that 2+2=4 because God decided this, although with mechanism, it is reasonable way to talk, but then the God of the neoplatonist is not a creator, still less a programmer. It just happens that some number relation areTuring universal, and run some computations. > > Some nights I care and others I don't because of my dear, old, amygdala, and > how life is treating me? Hopefully you are doing well, Bruno. Thanks spudboy. I do fine, I give my course at a distance, and it is more work, also for the students who are panicking a bit. I hope you are well too. That the universal dovetailing (the running of all programs) exist in arithmetic is not a disputable fact. This is known since the 1930s. It is not part of my contribution. It is important to understand this, because it makes obvious that there has never been any evidence of an ontological physical universe. That was obvious for those who are already persuaded by the antic dream argument, but it is nice because the discovery of the universal machine in arithmetic makes this dream argument into a rigorous mathematical proof. I am not defending any theory, but I can explain in detail why (weak) Mechanism is incompatible with (weak) materialism. Agnostic atheists have no problem with that, but gnostic-atheist (believer in some primary matter or in physicalism) are rather piss-of by this, apparently. But they are not scientist, and confuse opinion and science in general. Bruno > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Mon, Apr 27, 2020 5:33 am > Subject: Re: The Observer & The Existence of Reality > > >> On 24 Apr 2020, at 06:29, spudboy100 via Everything List >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> wrote: >> >> So, I have pondered that after countless ages and cycles, Turok/Steinhardt >> Buddha, Brahma, out of thermodynamic instabilities, a Boltzmann Brain >> finally emerges. Creates his or her own history and the universe flows >> forth. Is this true? [SHRUG!] I don't know but it seems conjecturally, tasty >> Bruno, at least to me. > > After Göde’s 1931, + Turing 1936 (all foreseen by Emil Post 1920s), we know > that all computations, and thus all Boltzman brain (whatever means are used > to define them) are run in arithmetic. > > This disappoints some people when they grasp this fact.Yet it does not > trivialise physics or theology, as it leads to a derivation of them from > arithmetic, and this makes mechanism testable. > > Is this true? How could we ever knows that? Ins science we never say that a > theory is true, we count the evidences and measure some degree of > plausibility (that degree is not a number, note, but eventually a personal > feeling). > What we can say is that there are still no evidence for a primitively > material universe, and rather a lot of evidences against it. The problem with > the humans is that in the fundamental domain, they don’t care about evidence, > and they care only on their wishes. > > Many people confused physics and metaphysics, observation and facts, proof > and truth, etc. In theology, we still tolerate the lies, we still hide pour > ignorance, and put the question under the rug (and mock the solutions by the > same occasion). > > The evidences for the physical laws are not evidences for a physical Universe. > > What many people miss is just the fact that elementary arithmetic run all > simulable reality, and that the physical reality emerges in a non computable > way from all computations, making both consciousness and the physical reality > not computable, and only partially predictable. Observations confirms this > quantitatively and qualitatively (modal logic of obserrvable extrapolate from > observation are similar to what is made oblatory from universal machine > reasoning and introspection). > > It is the idea of a (primary) physical universe which is metaphysically > conjectural. With mechanism, physics is not the fundamental science, despite > its enormous importance, notably for the human consciousness. But “important” > does not mean primitively real. > > Bruno > > > > > >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bruno Marchal <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> To: [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> >> Sent: Thu, Apr 23, 2020 6:49 am >> Subject: Re: The Observer & The Existence of Reality >> >> Samiya, >> >> That is what you get close to when believing in the collapse of the wave in >> Quantum Mechanics. That’s why some say, like Belinfante (working on hidden >> variable QM), QM implies a God or a Multiverse. The notion of God >> unfortunately cannot be used in this context, unless God itself is >> explained, but by definition it can’t. >> >> With mechanism things are simpler, there is the arithmetical reality, and >> the multiverse appearance is explained by the many computational histories, >> consciousness is explained by a semantic sort of fixed point, and the >> appearance of a unique universal history is explained by human hubris. >> As the mechanist explanation is testable, let us continue the test, but I >> would say that materialism (the belief in ontological matter) is already >> refuted, which explains why the most serious materialist try to get rid of >> consciousness. >> >> Bruno >> >> >> >>> On 22 Apr 2020, at 14:37, Samiya Illias <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >> >> The Observer & The Existence of Reality >> A Religious Perspective >> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2020/04/the-observer-existence-of-reality.html >> >> <https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2020/04/the-observer-existence-of-reality.html?m=1> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/5915667F-3173-4DBA-8205-4BC572DB6F1A%40gmail.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/5915667F-3173-4DBA-8205-4BC572DB6F1A%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/01A6738E-178D-4728-92BD-C264A093A63A%40ulb.ac.be >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/01A6738E-178D-4728-92BD-C264A093A63A%40ulb.ac.be?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1822807361.24408.1587702544998%40mail.yahoo.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1822807361.24408.1587702544998%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/33D7C680-BD44-465D-8620-0F55E163DC3F%40ulb.ac.be > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/33D7C680-BD44-465D-8620-0F55E163DC3F%40ulb.ac.be?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1721060875.2544635.1588206452867%40mail.yahoo.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1721060875.2544635.1588206452867%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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