On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 1:30:59 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 5:49:15 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 3:51:03 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 5:18 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> *> I think you are to readily reifying the mathematics. Virtual >>>> particles are just Feynman's invention to keep track of consistent >>>> expansions of the Green's function. There are other mathematical >>>> techniques for calculating the same number. * >>> >>> >>> But they all involve violating the law of conservation of energy for >>> short amounts of time, and the shorter the time the larger the violation. >>> >>> John K Clark >>> >> >> I *might* be convinced, IF you understood the standard UP, involving >> position and momentum. But you don't. Do you know the definition of >> "standard deviation", aka "uncertainty"? Look it up; a well defined >> concept in statistics; always involving ensembles! AG >> > > I trust you can see the problem with your interpretation of virtual > particles. In effect you're putting the cart before the horse! Once you see > that the usual form of the UP is a *statistical* statement involving > *standard > deviations*, the time-energy form must have the same property. And no one > here, apparently, can state what the ensembles are for that form of the UP! > If you don't know what ensembles you're talking about, it is egregiously > premature, and prone to error, to make an interpretation of the inequality. > AG >
Clark; have you confirmed that the standard form of the UP is a *statistical* statement implying an *ensemble*, and that the UP can be* mathematically proven* from the postulates of QM? Once we get past these elementary FACTS, we can discuss the meaning of the time-energy form of the UP. AG -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/9e817885-5570-414c-bc38-77d9302263c7%40googlegroups.com.
