On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 6:12:21 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 1:30:59 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 5:49:15 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 3:51:03 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: >>>> >>>> On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 5:18 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> *> I think you are to readily reifying the mathematics. Virtual >>>>> particles are just Feynman's invention to keep track of consistent >>>>> expansions of the Green's function. There are other mathematical >>>>> techniques for calculating the same number. * >>>> >>>> >>>> But they all involve violating the law of conservation of energy for >>>> short amounts of time, and the shorter the time the larger the violation. >>>> >>>> John K Clark >>>> >>> >>> I *might* be convinced, IF you understood the standard UP, involving >>> position and momentum. But you don't. Do you know the definition of >>> "standard deviation", aka "uncertainty"? Look it up; a well defined >>> concept in statistics; always involving ensembles! AG >>> >> >> I trust you can see the problem with your interpretation of virtual >> particles. In effect you're putting the cart before the horse! Once you see >> that the usual form of the UP is a *statistical* statement involving >> *standard >> deviations*, the time-energy form must have the same property. And no >> one here, apparently, can state what the ensembles are for that form of the >> UP! If you don't know what ensembles you're talking about, it is >> egregiously premature, and prone to error, to make an interpretation of the >> inequality. AG >> > > Clark; have you confirmed that the standard form of the UP is a > *statistical* statement implying an *ensemble*, and that the UP can be* > mathematically proven* from the postulates of QM? Once we get past these > elementary FACTS, we can discuss the meaning of the time-energy form of the > UP. AG >
What I want to know is your justification for your prior statement about virtual particles and borrowing of energy. You can't just pull it out of a hat as call it Gospel. There must have some justification. What is it? AG -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/dac0a3b0-b2fb-4e56-9b82-9e8c018fce40%40googlegroups.com.
