On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 5:43 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < [email protected]> wrote:
> > >> Superdeterminism postulates two things, determinism and one specific >> initial condition; the problem I have with it is not the determinism part >> it's the initial condition. Although there are an infinite number of >> initial conditions the universe could have started in Superdeterminism says >> that for no particular reason (that is to say because of nondeterminism) >> the universe started out in the one and only initial condition that, after >> billions of years of deterministic evolution, would result in our being >> fooled by every single one of our scientific experiments into thinking >> that things were nondeterministic when they were really deterministic, even >> though there was no reason the universe started out in that state, and thus >> the entire scientific enterprise is a complete waste of time. > > * > How so? Do you think Newton and Laplace saw science as a waste of > time?* > No, I don't think Newton and Laplace were wasting their time, and that's why I don't think Superdeterminism is true, almost no working scientist does. > If the world is deterministic, then obviously it is determined by the > past (and the future) > You're talking about two different things. The Game Of Life is perfectly deterministic, if you know the present state you can predict the next state , however you can't say what the previous state was, that information has been lost. > *Your dismay with superdeterminism is the flip side of objections to > randomness in QM. * > It's not the deterministic part of Superdeterminism that I object to, it's the unique initial condition that it insists on that I object to , the insistence that out of the infinite number of initial states the universe could've started out in it started in the one and only state that resulted in making fools of us all. > > *When it was first proposed as fundamental by Born and Bohr, physicists > like Schroedinger and Einstein were dismayed that randomness would make > science impossible.* > Einstein didn't like randomness but he disliked non-locality even more, and he hated Superdeterminism most of all. John K Clark > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv0j0XWZP%3DiZwKg%2Beni5dgxUZOsPuLK3ZbyOQeLQNnO6og%40mail.gmail.com.
