On Sat, Aug 15, 2020 at 5:27 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < [email protected]> wrote:
> Why not adopt ultra-determinism. Since Everettians insist on strictly > determinist evolution it's plausible that Alice and Bob's choices are > determined too...they're not unphysical beings . > There's a difference between living in a universe where everything has a cause, and living in a universe where nature conspires to fool us, as with Descartes's evil demon. Jason > > Brent > > On 8/15/2020 1:19 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > Bell’s theorem demonstrates locality and realism cannot be true of a > quantum system. If one performs measurements of observables, eigenvalues > that real, then locality does not apply. Wigner’s friend argument > illustrates how we can show reality may be abandoned. The following > experiment illustrates this. Two observers may witness nature in ways that > are not commensurate with each other. The observer then cannot be > completely removed from nature. > > https://arxiv.org/abs/1902.05080 > > This is a Bell type of experiment where locality is imposed, but two > observers witness two different version of reality. There is then a loss of > objectivity to reality, which is the flip side or dual to the standard Bell > inequality violation used to demonstrate nonlocality. > > LC > > On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 9:45:10 AM UTC-5 Jason wrote: > >> >> https://www.technologyreview.com/2019/03/12/136684/a-quantum-experiment-suggests-theres-no-such-thing-as-objective-reality/ >> >> Jason >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/e4c6e6b8-dba4-4eec-a682-6b416ffde0f4n%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/e4c6e6b8-dba4-4eec-a682-6b416ffde0f4n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/11371009-732e-750a-a639-4b7ec3ae0bd7%40verizon.net > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/11371009-732e-750a-a639-4b7ec3ae0bd7%40verizon.net?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUhqwTOr_ku-D%2BeBipau4hhoNhTZnRvYW0z0rGAvrCMutg%40mail.gmail.com.
