Hi Philip,

You seem to use “pagan” as a pejorative adjective. I use it usually in a 
meliorative way, for any religion or theology which does not mix state and 
religion. The neoplatonists are easily persecuted by those who 
institutionalised religion after having separate theology from science. Pagan 
meant “neoplatonist” at some period, and they were considered as heretic by the 
christians after the closure of Plato Academy. Thanks to S’t-Augustine, the 
christian have not killed Plato completely, and both the muslims and the 
christian theologians have keep a part of neoplatonism ("scientific theology”) 
alive, although soon persecuted by the literalist and the institutionalised 
religion.

I think that we will live the Middle-Âge when theology will come back to the 
faculty of science (even to mathematics if we want accelerate this). The 
obscurantism comes from the fact that we still tolerate the (total) lack of 
rigour in the fundamental science and in the human sciences. The Renaissance 
was half “Renaissance” as the most fundamental science (theology, metaphysics, 
or philosophy) has not yet be given back to the academies.

Bruno




> On 23 Oct 2020, at 16:43, Philip Benjamin <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> [Philip Benjamin]
> Following three phrases need elaboration: 1 . American continuity 2 .  
> mindless chants  3.  the billionaires that bribe thePolitical Parties.
>          America is not the product of mindless chants, Tao, TM, Yoga, 
> mantras, sutras, tantras, occultism, Jungian sorceries, (or psychology & 
> psychiatry, two of the most corrupted disciplines ever since the fraudulent 
> data of Alfred Kinsey-- 
> https://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/03/movies/alfred-kinsey-liberator-or-pervert.html
>  
> <https://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/03/movies/alfred-kinsey-liberator-or-pervert.html>
>  --;https://www.madinamerica.com/2014/12/homosexuality-came-dsm/ 
> <https://www.madinamerica.com/2014/12/homosexuality-came-dsm/> by Vivek 
> Datta, MD; MPH); or Stalinist Marxism or Hitlerite Socialism or 
> Mussolini/Antifa Fascism or any other Un-awakened PAGAN consciousness 
> (Greco-Roman or New Age).  Rather, she is the product of the historic and 
> historical “Two Great Awakenings” with the childhood prodigy-- the greatest 
> American thinker (according to British Encyclopedia)-- Jonathan Edwards 
> (founder of Princeton University) as a leader. These “Awakenings”. It is 
> Republic, a ‘Non Sovereign Federation of Sovereign States’ derived from a 
> Regenerated Neo-Platonist 4 -th Century Augustinian, non-pagan consciousness 
> (https://www.midwestaugustinians.org/conversion-of-st-augustine 
> <https://www.midwestaugustinians.org/conversion-of-st-augustine>; Augustine 
> was once a profligate Phoenician pagan, but became the chief architect of 
> Western Civilization which had its foundational aspects already laid by the 
> Athenian Mars Hill discourse of Rabbi Saul of Tarsus (Acts Chapter 17), thus 
> having Patriarchal, Prophetic and Apostolic imprimatur. 
> Billionaires with un-awakened pagan consciousness have indeed hijacked this 
> once great civilization with the willful connivance of pagan political 
> parties, the Deep State & WAMP-the-Ingrate. Only a “Third Great Awakening” 
> can rescue this Civilization from its precipitous downfall.      Note:  WAMP 
> = Western Acade-Media Pagan(ism).
> Best regards
> Philip Benjamin                   
>  
> From: [email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]> Lawrence Crowell Friday, October 
> 23, 2020 4:36 AM Subject: Re: Trump's massive corruption is now the new normal
>  
> On Thursday, October 22, 2020 at 7:42:10 PM UTC-5 [email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
> Chants of Lock her up are still going on, as of this week, John, simply 
> because madame Clinton, and President Obama were involved in a conspiracy. 
> The question is, is such a conspiracy illegal to do? That is probably going 
> to left for the US Supreme Court to decide. Obama and his chums, Hilly, CIA 
> director Brennan, Comey, and the protection availed themselves of the FISA 
> court (on false grounds) and began a 'Peach' conspiracy, as Represenative 
> Waters, has continulously invoked. As Joe Stalin said at a Party meeting in 
> 1930, "Always accuse the enemy of what you are doing." So bribery is baked 
> in, with your choice for President, or rather, your current preference. 
>  
> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8849687/Hunter-Biden-emails-identify-Joe-Biden-deal-Chinese-energy-firm-report-says.html
>  
> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%2Fnews%2Farticle-8849687%2FHunter-Biden-emails-identify-Joe-Biden-deal-Chinese-energy-firm-report-says.html&data=04%7C01%7C%7C3267c27cb5274c5b458308d8773719cd%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637390425817993400%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=pyyfqvpqCzcXRiknshrablTiQBCQatFpSIabEJnY9RI%3D&reserved=0>
>  
> The danger (to American continiuity) is that Joe has a fondness for Xi's 
> 'soft power' aka bribery, baksheesh, mordid, to the detriment of the US 
> middle class. I mean, I have trouble tolerating the people who installed and 
> are aiming hypersonic weapons at us, be it Vlad the Impailer, or Chairman Xi. 
> Neither, Bush 43, nor Barack Obama, raced to have the US install these for 
> ourselves. It costs money, and it'd stir up an arms race. For Vlad and Xi, an 
> arms race was no trouble! In this case, John, this is not Biden's villainy, 
> nor Orange Man's, nor Hilly's, nor, Fox News--this is all on these foreign 
> leaders who like the idea of tension, in order to hold control over their 
> respective nation states. Its all on them. 
>  
> Last, I would say that the thing democrats consider the third rail, the 
> billionaires that bribe the Democratic Party, as corrupting as the 
> Billionaires that bribe the Republican Party. Yours seem more power hungry, 
> like Zuck, Pichai, Jack Dorsey who claim they censor for made up reasons. 
> There you go, you may continue pretending these are 'good guys' funding 
> BLMTifa. 
> -----Original Message-----From: John Clark : [email protected] 
> <http://googlegroups.com/> Sent: Wed, Oct 21, 2020 8:49 am Subject: Trump's 
> massive corruption is now the new normal
> 
> Everybody remembers the mindless chants of "lock her up" lead by Trump 
> against his 2016 political opponent, and Trump still wants Hillary Clinton 
> jailed for the crime of challenging him, so it's no surprise he wants his 
> 2020 political opponent Joe Biden jailed too and he wants it done 
> IMMEDIATELY. So now "lock him up" has joined "lock her up" at Trump's virus 
> distribution meetings. Oh I almost forgot, he also wants Barack Obama and 
> Kamala Harris imprisoned.
>  
> Yesterday, just two weeks before election day, on Trump-TV (aka Fox News) he 
> said "We’ve got to get the attorney general to act. He’s got to act, and he’s 
> got to act fast. He’s got to appoint somebody. This is major corruption, and 
> this has to be known about before the election." And on Monday at one of his 
> super spreader events Trump spewed out " For the love of GOD ARREST SOMEBODY. 
> I know people that would have had him locked up five weeks ago. Bill Barr is 
> a very nice man and a very fair man. And in many ways, it doesn’t make some 
> of us happy.”
> 
> If Trump had done nothing else that was unwise or immoral those statements 
> alone are more incriminating and far more dangerous than anything Nixon said 
> on those infamous Watergate tapes, and those got him kicked out of the 
> presidency, but massive corruption in the executive branch has now become the 
> new normal and so people just shrug off such treasonous behavior as Trump 
> being Trump. Drain the swamp my ass!
> 
> John K Clark
> .
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