As expected; no substance. Have you heard? Trump was acquitted. He had nothing to do with the Capitol events on Jan 6. LOL. AG On Sunday, February 14, 2021 at 4:21:56 PM UTC-7 [email protected] wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 5:52 PM Alan Grayson <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> On Sunday, February 14, 2021 at 3:47:04 PM UTC-7 Alan Grayson wrote: >> >>> Not intending to insult, but overall your response is an good example of >>> Trump Physics. >> >> > > Not intending to insult, but you sir are an ass. > > John K Clark > > > > For example, you discuss measuring spin, Up or Dn, while denying you know >>> what measurement is. You claim AG can be observed in X or Y by copies of >>> AG, by a wave which by definition has no definite location. You ignore or >>> to flat-out admit that the HUP implies the failure of classical >>> determinism. And so forth. AG >>> >> >> I meant to write, " ... You claim AG can be observed AT POINTS X and Y by >> copies of AG, ... ." AG >> >>> >>> On Sunday, February 14, 2021 at 4:17:31 AM UTC-7 [email protected] >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On Alan Grayson <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> *> Prior to the discovery of the HUP it was believed that unlimited >>>>> precision of initial conditions was possible, depending only on the >>>>> advance >>>>> of technology. Now, with the HUP, we know this is not the case.* >>>>> >>>> >>>> You don't need infinite precision to state that an electron is spinning >>>> up or down and right or left, it would only take two bits of information >>>> to do so, and yet we are unable to obtain those two bits; we can choose to >>>> determine with absolute certainty if the electron is spinning right or >>>> left >>>> but then we'd have no idea about the up or down spin, it would be >>>> completely 50-50; or we can determine with absolute certainty if the >>>> electron is spinning up or down but then we'd have no idea about the left >>>> or right spin. We can do one or the other but not both. Why? Is it >>>> because >>>> there is some physical mechanism that prevents us from having both bits of >>>> information and thus making complete predictions impossible, or is it >>>> because until it is measured (whatever the hell that is) the electron >>>> simply doesn't have both properties? Many Worlds is a realistic >>>> interpretation of quantum mechanics, it says particles always have a >>>> definite spin, regardless of if it is "observed" or not, in fact the >>>> electron has every spin not forbidden by the laws of physics, and the same >>>> thing is true for a position and momentum, and the change in energy over a >>>> time interval, although Intelligent entities in any one branch of the >>>> multiverse may forever lack the ability to obtain all that information. >>>> Copenhagen is not a realistic interpretation of Quantum Mechanics, it says >>>> these properties don't even exist until they are measured, and they can't >>>> give a precise or even approximate meaning to what they meant by >>>> "measured". >>>> >>>> >>>>> *> Consequently, determinism is no longer a viable interpretation* >>>>> >>>> >>>> We know from experiment that Bell's inequality is violated and Bell >>>> proved if it is violated then the universe cannot be: >>>> >>>> 1) Local >>>> 2) Deterministic >>>> 3) Realistic, >>>> >>>> At least one of those three things must be false. However Many Worlds >>>> Insists that it is all 3. It can get away with that because Bell >>>> assumed the collapse of the wave function is a real physical phenomenon >>>> in his derivation of this inequality, Copenhagen makes the same >>>> assumption, so it must junk at least one of those 3, maybe more. But >>>> Many Worlds says the wave function never collapses so it can have all >>>> 3. >>>> >>>> Bell on Bell’s theorem: The changing face of nonlocality >>>> <https://arxiv.org/pdf/1501.03521.pdf> >>>> >>>> > *It occurred to me that when solving Schroedinger's equation, one >>>>> needs initial conditions. * >>>> >>>> >>>> It's not just Schroedinger's equation even in Newtonian physics and >>>> even if you know every single one of the physical laws involved perfectly >>>> you can't make predictions at all, not even approximate ones, if you have >>>> no idea about initial conditions. You can't predict where a pendulum will >>>> be three seconds from now if you have no idea where it is right now. >>>> >>>> *> Even if matter waves are ignored in the interpretation of >>>>> superposition, a deep mystery remains; why do those waves in the double >>>>> slit experiment always result in particle detection at the screen? * >>>> >>>> >>>> Because of Fourier analysis we know that even the most complex waves >>>> can be decomposed into an infinite sum of far simpler waves, and one of >>>> those simpler waves is Alan Grayson seeing an electron at point X, and >>>> another of those simpler waves is Alan Grayson seeing an electron at point >>>> Y. Many Worlds insist that a particle is just a convenient fiction used by >>>> beings in any particular branch of the multiverse, aka a simpler >>>> decomposition of the Universal Wave Function. Many Worlds says that >>>> matter, and fundamental reality in general, consists of waves not >>>> particles. >>>> John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis >>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> >>>> >>>> , >>>> >>>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> > To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/0df25e1b-de6b-408e-b487-b06e8a3db61cn%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/0df25e1b-de6b-408e-b487-b06e8a3db61cn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. 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