On Tuesday, March 9, 2021 at 4:30:26 PM UTC-6 medinuclear wrote: > [*Brent Meeker*] > > “https://alwaysasking.com/why-does-anything-exist/#A_Story_of_Creation” > > [*Philip Benjamin*] If nothing ever existed, nothing can exist today. “Ex > nihilo, nihil fit” (Parmenides). Laws of any kind necessarily requires the > existence of a conscious Law Giver. The logical question is: “what is more > reasonable?” DEAD MATTER producing life or LIFE producing both dead matter > and life-forms? Only a degree of rationality can be established here. > The laws are constructs of the human mind. There may be patterns in nature, and we inductively infer them as laws. The idea there must be a mind for anything to exist is silly. Where did the mind come from, and if such a mind existed there was then no true nothingness.
LC > Civilized, erudite Phoenician, profligate pagan Augustine of > Greco-Roman roots was instantly TRANSFORMED into a non-pagan and pulled the > West off Greco-Roman paganism and superstitions ( > https://www.midwestaugustinians.org/conversion-of-st-augustine). Thus he > was the chief architect of Western Civilization built on the foundation of > the Apostolic discourse at Athenian Mars Hill (*Acts 17*) where the > Greco-Roman Unknown god was identified as the aseitous Adonai (plural) YHWH > (singular) Elohim (uni-plural) of the Patriarchs, Prophets and the > Apostles. > > Progressive pagans with un-awakened consciousness cannot escape the > questions of causality, aseity, morality, meaning and telos by simply > evading them or assuming illogically the aseity of Dead Matter. > > *Philip Benjamin * > > > > *From:* 'Brent Meeker' Tuesday, March 9, 2021 12:38 PM > [email protected] *Subject:* Re: Why Does Anything Exist? > > On 3/9/2021 12:22 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 12:57 AM Kim Jones <[email protected]> wrote: > > What was there before there was nothing? > > > > I don't believe reality was ever a state of absolute nothingness. Rather, > there are things that exist necessarily: logical laws, truth, properties of > numbers, etc. Some of these truths and number relations concern and define > all computational histories, and the appearance of a physical reality is a > result of these computations creating consciousness observers. See: > https://alwaysasking.com/why-does-anything-exist/#A_Story_of_Creation > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Falwaysasking.com%2Fwhy-does-anything-exist%2F%23A_Story_of_Creation&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cec5e0f69aead43a3c24308d8e32a6d06%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637509118637908964%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Lrh0EuaQoC0WABBOwHIKVI7SwW4TYdzZaqaqysIVp6c%3D&reserved=0> > > > But you're casually confounding different sense of "exist". Logical laws, > number, etc are derivative on language. They don't "exist" physically. > The logicians meaning of exist is just to satisfy a predicate. Any > sensible discussion of "exist"needs to start with recognizing it has > several different meanings. > > Brent > > --. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/27d045ca-8d46-4eab-9084-3bcea523b826n%40googlegroups.com.
